Despite the beliefs of a crazy cop who goes to my relatives' church, my relatives, and some other members of the loony, homophobic, racist Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman gang here in loony Washington County, Oregon that Roger and the gang are brilliant legal scholars, there are people in Oregon and elsewhere who believe that Roger and his gang giving legal advice is bad for the people receiving legal advice, Oregonians, and American citizens elsewhere.
One of the people who believes that Roger and his gang shouldn't be allowed to give out extremely stupid legal advice is Edgar J. Steele. The following post explains what he and many others believe.
A Voice for Incoherence
by Edgar J. Steele
July 3, 2002
"See the happy moron -
He doesn't give a damn..."
----Ogden Nash
"The world is full of morons," I intoned solemnly as my son turned fourteen this year. "That's the Fourth Immutable Law of the Universe, and don't you forget it."
I've been doling out these universal truths, one at a time, as a part of preparing him for life. Admittedly, I haven't made any of them up, but I am responsible for assembling them in this form. I always stay one or two ahead of him and will provide the last, number ten, just as he is ready to graduate from high school, less than four years from now.
Here's where I am so far:
Men are right.
Women are slow.
Mom is never wrong.
The world is full of morons.
The old ways are the best ways.
Pigs get fat – hogs get slaughtered.
Do the right thing; not the smart thing.
Yes, I know - please don't email me about what an insufferable male chauvinist pig I am.
Years ago, a vice president of the company for which I then worked had a plaque in his office which read: "There is no defense against stupidity." I recall being annoyed with his outright arrogance - and that plaque was the least of it. That his name was Goldberg will be no surprise to many. Time and again, however, the world has shown me the inherent wisdom of that homily, though I would never dream of giving it such a place of prominence in my life.
There are some truths better left alone. Such as, "The world is full of morons." That doesn't make them any less true.
My last, No Justice for the Politically Incorrect , recounted the latest stopover in the Christine case, wherein I bemoaned the injustice of the legal system and the manner with which it deals with the politically incorrect.
I have said it before, but it bears repetition: the legal system is irretrievably broken. And, there is no fixing it, most particularly not by using the system's own mechanisms in the attempt.
Once in the system, one can only hope to exit by using the rules of the system itself, however unfair they may be. Best, by far, is staying out of the system altogether, particularly if you are the type that it inherently dislikes. Today, aside from true criminals, that means the politically incorrect.
However, there is another aspect to the legal system that bears examination, particularly by the politically incorrect, and it played a key role in the Christine case. There is a cottage industry that has grown up around the legal system, an industry that the Internet, more than anything else, has made possible. It has no real name as yet, though its denizens go by a host of labels, some self applied and some applied to them by others. "Constitutionalist" is the one that I hear most often, spoken proudly by those within this faction and derisively by those outside.
The irony is that there is nothing Constitutional about most of these people; Thomas Jefferson would have shot them dead on the front lawn of the White House (didn't know that he actually did that once, did you?).
The members of this legal "black market" espouse all manner of tricks and tactics purporting to allow one to elude the consequences of one's own actions (as in the liens employed by those people in Montana, you know, the "Just Us" guys) or to foil the evil members of the formal legal system. They are particularly taken with the UCC system, for some unfathomable reason (it applies to products in commerce only, by the way).
One of my favorites is the suggestion that so often is thrown at me, encouraging me to get my clients to "opt out" of American society by becoming something called "sovereign citizens." Supposedly, then they cannot be touched by the authorities. Right. Problem is, nobody told the authorities.
Another problem is that many people, once they run afoul of the system in some manner, actually listen to these self-styled "Constitutional Counselors," or whatever they might pretend to be. This is particularly true of the politically incorrect, who have a well-justified distrust of anything formally associated with or a part of the legal system.
Brian and Ruth Christine fell for this swill when their children were first taken from them. For six months, they listened to various members of this pseudo-legal jungle in and around Grants Pass, Oregon. For six months, while within the system, they did all the wrong things, as a result.
The Christines were just kids, themselves. They deserved better. The worst Public Defender in town could have gotten their children back for them in six months. Due to the "guidance" they received from their "advisers," however, they were receptive to the help of a real lawyer only after they were in jail, having been arrested and charged with a litany of heavy-duty felonies, including Kidnapping and Robbery. Only after their situation had become essentially hopeless, in other words. That was when I entered their case.
They had public defenders for a brief interlude, who conned them into signing off on a termination of their parental rights to their three oldest girls. Frankly, that very likely would have happened by court edict, anyway, but was not something I could have recommended they accept without a fight and a formal trial.
I did take them through their kidnapping trial on a variety of felony charges, some lesser and some major. My standard for a win was defeating the major felonies. There really was no hope that they would walk free on everything. They got tagged only with Robbery I, a so-called "Measure 11" felony, which we have now appealed. I think we have a pretty good chance of overturning this conviction in the appellate courts. That would shorten their current sentences by years.
Until yesterday, the Christines were faced with another trial, this time in Grants Pass, in two weeks' time. Offered a deal by the district attorney handling those charges (again, a blizzard of felonies and misdemeanors), which involved pleading out to one felony each, with Brian pleading to another related to a traffic stop, they decided they would rather not endure another trial.
Pleading out was their decision alone, but I believe it was the correct one. I made no recommendation, one way or the other. The time prescribed by the sentencing judge runs concurrent with their present sentences; in other words, there is no additional penalty other than the sting of those who incorrectly say they have now admitted they did wrong to begin with.
So, I didn't make a silk purse out of the sow's ear of a case that I was handed, but I did make a pretty nifty pigskin wallet! All in all, not bad, particularly considering I've been working for free. And that made me feel pretty good about things. Until today, when one of the Grants Pass legal illiterati so responsible for Brian and Ruth losing their kids and being in prison actually had the effrontery to accuse me of selling the Christines out.
Meet Pamela Gaston, who maintains a web site and sends out a daily flurry of often-incoherent emails, all under the title, "A Voice for Children." Her husband, Will, sat directly behind me throughout the Christine trial (if you watch it on CourtTV in two weeks, he is the burly fellow with the shock of white hair and bushy beard to match).
Will Gaston repeatedly told me, both during the trial and after, that he had never seen a better job than the one I did. Now, if you believe his wife, Pamela, he really thought that I was key in constructing a legal abomination. Either he was lying then, or he is lying now...or Pamela is lying about what Will thinks. I suspect the latter, frankly, since she seems to be the real voice for incoherence behind their web site.
Until now, Brian and Ruth Christine's directive that I leave the Grants Pass courthouse crazies alone is all that has kept me from taking them on, both directly via the Internet and indirectly, via the local District Attorney. Pamela Gaston's recent assault upon my legal honor has released me from that restriction.
The Gastons filed a petition of some sort with the judge during the Christine trial. It was genuinely laughable, reflective of what unschooled children might imagine legal documents should be. At my urging, the judge decided not to embarrass them by ruling it to be the sort of pseudo-legal tripe that it was. They apparently now are filing it with other courts.
Also, during this trial, another of the crazies endeavored to challenge the judge's jurisdiction, claiming that the oath he took when initially sworn in as a judge was lacking a word or two. This "defective oath" business is a favorite of this crowd in Oregon just now, particularly Pamela Gaston. It is, in a word, irrelevant and totally without merit. The Gastons now seize upon this poppycock to claim that I was part and parcel of a conspiracy against the Christines.
Because of advice like this, given by Pamela Gaston and a few others in the Grants Pass area, the Christines are a permanently broken family and Brian and Ruth will spend several years in prison.
Because of you, Pamela Gaston....because of you.
There is no defense against stupidity, as the sign said. And, don't forget, the world is full of morons. Perhaps it is Pamela's sense of guilt that causes her now to turn on me and blame me for all that has befallen the Christines. Remember that I entered after everything had already happened, Pamela, whereas you were there from the start, whispering in their ear.
Regardless of how Brian and Ruth might feel about it, I am filing a formal request with the DAs of Jackson, Josephine and Douglas Counties, as well as the Oregon State Bar Association, that Pamela Gaston (and others, if indicated) be criminally prosecuted for the Unauthorized Practice of Law. There is such a crime and it is rarely prosecuted. If ever there was a case that cried out for it, this is it. A borderline lunatic like Gaston staggers around, mouthing enough nonsense to persuade the naive that she actually knows something, then gets them to do something really stupid, which redounds to their extreme detriment.
There are important lessons to be gleaned from this tragedy. I assume you already realize there is no justice to be gotten from the legal system, of course. Today's lesson, and it is especially for the politically incorrect, a great many of whom subscribe to this list: stay away from pseudo lawyers.
While there is some good advice out there, given by nonlawyers, it is impossible for any but practicing lawyers to separate the wheat from the chaff. And illegal, when profferred to others, whether for a fee or not. And the chaff can get you into serious trouble...just look at Brian and Ruth Christine. Best to stay away from it all. In particular, stay away from Pamela Gaston and the extensive bad advice she offers via her website and her emails. She will get you into trouble, just as she has the Christines.
Ask a lawyer, instead. It will be the best advice you ever bought.
Stay out of the system if at all possible, and at all costs. If you find yourself in the system, resolve to play by the rules toward the quickest exit possible. That requires a competent lawyer or equal measures of self-taught real law and pure luck. There is no short cut. All other approaches will end in disappointment, if not prison.
Of course, a great many lawyers are morons, too. And there may well be no defense against stupidity. Be accountable. If they can't explain it to you in words that you understand or it doesn't make sense in the tradition of "there's no such thing as a free lunch," then go elsewhere.
"I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth."
- Morpheus
Copyright © Edgar J. Steele, 2002
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From: A Voice For Children Attorneys in Christine Case Selling Them Out to Protect the STATE ........
NO Bar member protects anyone from state paid abusers or systemic corruption
Letter to Edgar Steele follows........
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Kidnap suspects will plea bargain
The Associated Press
December 21
GRANTS PASS The lawyer defending Ruth and Brian Christine on criminal charges alleging they kidnapped their children at gunpoint from state social workers expects to negotiate a plea bargain that would avoid a trial.
"We’re talking an omnibus deal," Leeon Aller, Brian Christine’s attorney, said Wednesday. "I expect we’ll be able to resolve these cases."
Ruth Christine, 28, and Brian Christine, 29, face criminal charges in Douglas County stemming from the gunpoint kidnapping of their children in August.
In Josephine County, they face criminal mistreatment charges stemming from a year earlier, when state social workers took the three girls into custody because they had allegedly been starved as a disciplinary measure.
Brian Christine also faces an assault charge for allegedly hitting one of the girls for wetting the bed.
Aller said the negotiations were about what would be done with the couple’s children. Besides the three girls taken into state custody, they have two girls born afterward who are living with Brian Christine’s mother in Noblesville, Ind.
The Douglas County case is set for trial March 19, but Aller said any plea bargain could be announced at the next court appearance Jan. 7.
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Dear Edgar Steele
It was our understanding that you were representing the Christines in their upcoming trial. We have watched as you have taken risks to defend certain cases that touch on bigger issues, such as first amendment rights and systemic corruption in the court processes. You have been the ONLY bar member we have seen actually speak out about the corrupt systemic abuse.
Now we see the Christine case is going to be compromised, as we expected it would. We have worked with Brian and Ruth for a long time, since their children were removed two years ago, and in order for them to confront the aggressions of the STATE against them there has to be a counterclaim filed. When a person goes in to court and has not filed a counter claim, they have NO voice, or standing in the courtroom, and no facts come in of the abuse by the state agent against them, say for false arrest or perjured malicious prosecutions. Of course, no attorney will does this for anyone, nor have you.
Just like the trial you just defended in Idaho, the man who abused the defendant - the REAL criminal who assaulted the victim, WALKED, was not prosecuted, because there was no counterclaim filed. In your article on that case, you made the point of the ABSURDITY and CRIMINALITY of the judge "making up" his own "new charges" that were not even included in the charging instruments. Of course, we all know "THEY CANNOT DO THAT" but as we tell people every day, they DO what ever they want to.
You mentioned in your article that as an attorney, you dare not anger the judge. We have heard this referred to as "bar members must not irritate the court". This is the problem across the board why these systemic abuses are not being stopped. In every courtroom in America, every day, people are wrongly convicted on the lies of the agents of the STATE, and even if a defendant wins their case, NO ONE IS PROSECUTED.
Further, as you know in Oregon, there is NEVER a jury trial in the taking of children from their families. This case, WITH a jury, COULD have opened up the FRAUD of the Child Services, in front of the jury, as we have done with counter complaints. The problem without the jury is there is no "jury nullification" which, if you were in a constitutional court, the JURY would assess these FRAUDS being committed by the state and would NULLIFY ALL OF THESE NON CONSTITUTIONAL STATUTES for the FRAUD that they are, but the Bar, withouit exception, ALLOWS THIS STATUTORY CORRUPTION to prevail, and NEVER confronts it for the people,. instead always covering up the state crimes, and selling out the people for their own profit and profit (in the "interest"/money) of the STATE who WROTE these statutes being used to destroy the children and famliies.
We were hoping that Ruth and Brian's case would open up the COMPLETE FRAUD of the Oregon Child Services Agency and their complete control of the courts against the families, without Law, and without Evidence. Now, NONE of this will come out !
We KNEW they were going to do this and I wrote to you months ago telling you NOT to let the STATE and courts consolidate the juvenile case into the "criminal" case, and this is exactly what has happened now. It is UNBELIEVABLE that this is happening when their case could be the catalyst for EVERY FAMILY IN AMERICA THAT HAS HAD THEIR CHILDREN KIDNAPPED WITHOUT LAW, EVIDENCE,, FACTS, DUE PROCESS - NOTHING ......
But, now, the STATE, as ALWAYS, will protect itself with their whore attorneys, and the world will NEVER know, the Record will not be made of the crimes of the caseworkers and the because of the children and the rights violations against Ruth and Brian and the court will not address ANY of the corruption of the STATE.
The STATE KNOWS it is the GUILTY party in this, and that the STATE is the one who KIDNAPPED the children in the first place. More than a year passed and NO trial ever took place on the "allegations" about why they took these children. The media continue to print as fact these false and unproven allegations, "convicting" the people without a trial in the public.
This is ALL about protecting the STATE who do NOT want a trial, afraid that any of these facts against them will come out. So people will be given the impression that this "plea bargain" will "deal" with the situation in some agreeable way. We hear people say this alot, just "get me out of it" and "it will go away" and the STATE is protected to rape and plunder the next family.
This is SYSTEMIC, and the same FRAUD for profit is used in every case. Not only in children services cases, but in all the courts, THERE IS NO STANDARD OF EVIDENCE AND NO BURDEN OF PROOF AT ALL ON THE STATE. EVER.
It is up to the attorneys or the defendants to file the counterclaims for prosecution and FORCE the FACTS to be made on the Record in order to hold the abusers - the STATE agents, ACCOUNTABLE and to move for prosecution. We have paid a severe price, been in jail without crime over and over in order to make these Records over the "objections" of corrupt judges and bar member prostitutes/prosecutors.
We were told that in Oregon last year there were more than 20 million $$$ "settlements" in claims paid out to abused foster children in Oregon. The people will NEVER hear about these payoffs, nor will the people ever know the facts in these cases, and the crimes of the STATE go unprosecuted again. Bar attorneys work out a "deal" , the state "bleeds" a little money to the abused, no one on the state side loses a dime, in fact the attorneys only care about billable hours, and do not care who gets a settlement, as long as they get some of it and the state and courts remain protected - THIS IS THEIR REAL JOB. "ATTORN" means to "turn over the property to the King/STATE and that is what they do ....... it is the PEOPLE who are deceived thinking that a Bar agent will defend them.......
We BELIEVED that you would not allow the court to play these games in this case ! But, as I wrote in the letter months ago, we KNOW that in order to properly defend the families, you have to confront the LIES of the caseworkers, and the unconstitutional FRAUD of the court. When you said in the Idaho case that you could not "offend" the judge by confronting his unbelievable contempt for the Law and towards your defendant, I realized that you are not going to fight for the people against this unlawful systemic, NON constitutional system.
You KNOW the problems, as you have written about it, that the peoples rights are desecrated across the board, yet playing the "game" in the courtroom is EXACTLY how it got this way and how it is protected. EVERY TIME in a courtroom a defendants rights are violated and the court gets away with it and none of them are prosecuted. WHEN DOES THIS END???
We have told people for some time that you are the only attorney we have seen who has spoken out against the Nazi regime in place, and we thought you would have the balls to stand up to this openly and honestly, and in Brian and Ruth's case - TO GO INTO THAT COURT AND CALL THE STATE WHAT IT IS - TELL THE COURT HOW DARE THEY CALL RESCUING YOUR OWN CHILDREN KIDNAPPING - HOW DARE THEY TAKE CHILDREN ON LIES AND NOT ALLOW A TRIAL, HOW DARE THEY LIE IN COURT AND NOT BEAR THE BURDEN OF PROOF WHATSOEVER, JUST TAKE THE CHILDREN ........ ON AND ON IT GOES.....
Now, Brian and Ruth will "admit" to some part of the charges, others "charges" will be dropped (were they legitimate in the first place when they can be dropped? OF COURSE NOT !!! BUT NO ONE MAKES THE POINT IN COURT !!!! They will not likely get their children back, or maybe they will if they take all the services and compelled contracts that SLAVES do when the MASTER holds their lives in his evil hand. The agency is only about money, and they couldn't care less about abusing children as THEY DO IT EVERY DAY AND ARE PROTECTED - JUST LIKE THIS CASE NOW !!!
So, this one will go by the way, the media will continue to spin this story biased against the parents, without facts ...... notice that in the article they are bringing the "charges" from the originating removal into the "charges" of the current case ....... this is FRAUD ...... these original "charges" were what was supposed to have been heard in a "timely trial" a LONG time ago, and if there were an attorney who actually defended anybody, this FAMILY WOULD HAVE BEEN REUNITED A YEAR AGO. LIKE 99% OF THE OTHER CASES. but BECAUSE THE ATTORNEYS DO NOT DEFEND ANYONE BUT THE STATE, THE WHOLE OPERATION STAYS PROTECTED.
This plea bargain will SILENCE the Record from being made, just like the many cases where the STATE is GUILTY, pays a huge settlement, and NO FACTS are public about the crimes of the STATE. WE ARE BREAKING THIS PATTERN.
This is why my husband and I have been fighting this battle for more than four years now, and it rages at this time, here in Oregon, without attorneys. We are teaching people what Sui Juris means, how to file their own Complaints and how to use an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE to get the FACTS into the RECORD about the judicial and state abuse they are enduring. We have EXPOSED this CRIMINALITY at the highest levels, and the cover up and FRAUD.
I hope the people SEE now that even an attorney like yourself, who admits and knows that the courts are corrupted and seems to care about the rights of the people as well as your own children's future, WILL NOT DEFEND THEM.
In a sense, this is GOOD that they see it ! We are working night and day to help them understand that the attorneys work for the STATE, and are compromised to the whore judge, and you just proved it !!!! There is NO WAY the judge in Idaho could do what he did, but we see them do things every day they "CANNOT" DO - THEY ARE CRIMINALS !!!!
Hopefully now, the People will see that until "bar members" are willing to risk their "careers" for the TRUTH to come out, there is not ONE who will defend anybody in a court.
Brian and Ruth are EVERY AMERICAN FAMILY and what Brian did was what EVERY FATHER should do to protect his wife and children, and the Law is ON HIS SIDE WITH THIS. The LAW says that you can SHOOT anyone who is falsely arresting you for no crime, or is attacking your family, or is on your property without lawful warrant or reason to be there. WHO IS PROTECTING THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE COURTS????
WAKE UP AMERICA - WE HAVE TO DO THIS ON OUR OWN. THE BAR IS THE ARMY AGAINST US ........ EVERYTHING TAKEN FROM YOU HAPPENS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE ULTIMATELY WHETHER YOU ARE A PAUPER OR A PRESIDENT. YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR LAND, YOUR RIGHTS, YOUR MONEY, YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR FREEDOM AND YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURES ARE ALL STRIPPED IN A COURTROOM BY BAR MEMBER ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES AND YOUR OWN "ATTORNEY" AS WELL.
WE ARE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. MY HUSBAND AND I SHALL STAY ON THE CASE FOR OURSELVES AND THE PEOPLE IN OREGON EVEN IF IN THE END WE ARE ALONE IN NOT SELLING OUT TO THIS UNCONSCIONABLE FRAUD.
WE WILL NOT ALLOW THIS GENOCIDE OF AMERICAN FAMILIES TO CONTINUE AND WE ARE MOVING FOR PROSECUTION AND WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THESE CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSERS AND TRAITORS ARE IMPRISONED. NOW THAT RUTH AND BRIAN'S CASE HAS BEEN COMPROMISED WE ARE BACK TO BEING THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE CONFRONTING THIS SYSTEMIC ABUSE IN OREGON IN A COURTROOM..
PEOPLE - PLEASE UNDERSTAND - YOU HAVE TO DO THIS FOR YOURSELVES. EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THE SUI JURIS BOOK WE HAVE WRITTEN SO THAT YOU KNOW YOUR RIGHTS AND HOW TO GET THE BAR PARASITE OFF YOUR CASE AND GO AFTER THEM IN A COURTROOM....... Please go to www.avoiceforchildren.com and look under "our books", and you can get this book...... it is very low priced so everyone can get it, and learn who the REAL ENEMY is that is destroying you - it is our own courts and our own government, and they are getting away with it because we do not understand what a court is supposed to be and we are not holding these criminals accountable.
I will write next about some of these CRITICAL issues, working hard for your GREATER UNDERSTANDING......... this is all about TRUTH and SACRED LAW on which all TRUE LAW is based and on which the Bill of Rights is based. PLEASE LET THIS CASE SHATTER THE PARADIGM SO MANY HAVE THAT ANY BAR MEMBER WILL PROTECT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES, THEIR PROFIT, AND THE SYSTEM THAT EMPOWERS THEM TO DESTROY YOU.
pamela gaston, a voice for children, fifth amendment coalition
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Stewart
Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Edgar Steel Wants an Apology for the Truth; Re: Compromised -
Pleading Guilty in a Court of Lies
Thanks for passing this on to me & others Pam.
Mr. Steel,
You are a part of a Terrorist & Treasonous Criminal Conspiracy. Your Bar-Association/Lawyer Strangle-Hold Monopoly on our great State's Judicial System; has Coerced/Terrorized the Christines into Abandoning their Rights under Constitutional "Due Process of Law".
Ms Gaston is Absolutely Correct that it is Totally "Off Point" for you to argue to anyone that the Christines would have lost anyway. Maybe they would have, & maybe not.
It is "Not the Point".
The "Point is" that "the Lawyer-Bar/Monopoly System" is a "Terrorist System".
And the Christines were probably were facing an up-hill battle, Only because:
YOUR BAR/MONOPOLY SYSTEM is a Human Meat-Grinder from the Pit of Hell, & it Has NOTHING to do with Constitutionally Guaranteed "JUSTICE", Nor with "Due Process of Law".
And You are "Lubricating Oil" for that Evil Military Machinery, "Sergeant At Law" Steel.
With mamby-pamby marshmallow Bar/Monopoly Lawyers like your-self being shoved upon the Christines, it is quite understandable that they become bamboozled & confused. If Ms Gaston could have been their Constitutionally Guaranteed "Assistance of Council" I'm Sure they would have stood a Very Good Chanced of Winning the Case. But NNNNNOOOOOO !!!
Convenient for Your Pay Check, & for the Federal Matching Funds that the DA gets, YOU Convinced the Christines to "Roll-Over & Play Dead".
So much for their Heroic Effort when they made their first Public Statement about the Total Evil & Injustice of the Fraudulently Labeled "Social Services System" by Courageously Taking Back from the True "Kidnappers", THEIR CHILDREN !!!
Bar/Monopoly Lawyers like you are Limited by Your Privilege/Franschize/License to Only Offer Defensive Pleadings which Do NOT Seriously Argue the Underlying Fundamental Concern of conscionable & Substantive "JUSTICE".
You would loose your bar-license.
You know it & we know it.
The Christines were just "Terrorized" by you & your bar-palls into forgetting that for the moment.
Pamela is Absolutely Correct in Publicly Condemning You & Your Bar-Monopoly/Mob Palls for the Part You have Played in this Rail-Road Job of Terrorism & Treason against the Christines & also against All of the Good People of this Constitutional "State of Oregon.
Your Mob Pals are Not Going to be able to Continue your "Pillage & Plunder" of the Good People of Oregon Fore-Ever.
You surely realize this. Yes?
Charles Bruce, Stewart
Sandy Oregon