It's time to remind people that the American Family Rights Association is a front for some of the most violent, hatefilled white supremacists in America. Click on the preceding link for more information.
Remember, the American Family Rights Association, lead by psychos like Roger Weidner, Pamela Gaston, and Leonard Henderson, is not out to help anybody but themselves. They really want to set up a government where only members of the super-duper, superior, white Aryan race will have any kind of family rights. Don't be suckered by the lies and mindless propaganda of the liars and thieves of the Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman cult.
The following is an excerpt of some of the shenanigans pulled by associates of the Roger Weidner/Victor oekerman gang:
[1] Assistant Attorney General Eileen J. O'Connor and United States Attorney Michael W. Mosman announced today that a federal jury in Portland, Oregon, convicted six defendants, Richard George Flowers, Dorothy Lenore Flowers, Jeffrey Allen Weakley, John David Anderson, Ronald William Stacey, and Dan Romaine Kirkham, of conspiracy to defraud the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). All defendants were associated with the Christian Patriot Association, a warehouse bank located in Boring, Oregon, which provided anonymous banking for 900 members nationwide. According to proof at trial. this warehouse bank was operated for the purpose of impeding and impairing the Internal Revenue Service and bad deposits totaling $186 million during the 14-year span of the conspiracy. The jury also found Richard George Flowers guilty of failure to file federal income tax returns for 1995 and 1996 and found Anderson, Ronald and Elecia Stacey, and Dan Romaine Kirkham guilty of tax evasion.
[2] The indictment alleged a conspiracy that involved a nationwide web of financial transactions from March 1986 until July 2000. The scheme was designed to enable members to conduct banking transactions anonymously by using numbered accounts that were come singled in a single comercial bank account.
And let's not forget that two of the gang, Forrest Bateman and Fritz Springmeier, have been convicted of robbing a bank.
Roger Weidner even wrote a book. Well, actually Hedy Hammond wrote the book and Roger Weidner dictated it. It's called the "Weidner Method". The following is the preface:
PREFACE It is my hope that Americans in every county in the country will converge upon their courthouses and use The Weidner Method to fight any kind of case.The courts control the money and the judge controls the cops. Therefore, you have to neutralize that judge. -- Roger Weidner
Throughout my 20 years of research about government corruption The Weidner Method is the first solution I have ever encountered. If nothing else, it will expose duplicity and make the entire community aware of it, a necessary first step.
Government child-snatching, IRS extortion, voting fraud, government racketeering, health food laws, lawyer malpractice, property taxes, the necessity for citizen oversight of government agencies, unlawfully mandated 501(c)3 non-profit status for churches, the unlawfully mandated driver's license for sovereign citizens, lack of protective tariffs, overwhelming imports, mind control, national security abuses, land rights, heavy-handed cops, unlawful search and seizure, conflicts of interest, federal funding of abuses, Federal Reserve audit, violation of freedom of worship, poisoning of the air, land and water through chemicals in the water, chemical fertilizers and pesticides and chemtrails, multi-vitamin labeling that doesn't include absorption rate or info that nutrients are synthetic, issues concerning hybridized seeds, public schools, taxes, too much government, alloidal ownership of land, regulation of industry which should emanate from the people not the federal government, unlawful and unConstitutitonal laws and statutes, lawyers holding office (13th amendment), any and all ways in which our Constitutional rights are being denied-all these and countless other issues can be addressed in the courtroom using The Weidner Method.
The government should be formed from the bottom up in cells of 10 families as described in the writings of Kelly Hoskins, author of the Hoskins Report. Senators should again be elected by state Legislatures, no more foreign aid, fractional reserve banking should be outlawed, debtfree money should be issued by the Congress, solar technology, which was running factories 100 years ago, should be unsuppressed, natural healing should be unsuppressed, the truth should be unsuppressed, and countless other issues can be addressed in the courtroom using the The Weidner Method.
According to history, when a nation is in transition from one form of government to a different type of government, as we are now (making the transition from freedom to enslavement) there is a point in the struggle, a section of time, during which it could go either way. I believe we are presently teetering on that brink.
Hedy Hammond
As noted in the paragraph above, the cult wants to form society along the teachings of Kelly Hoskins. The following is an excerpt from an article by the Anti-Defamation League.
Although not as well known as white supremacists such as Matt Hale and the late William Pierce, Virginia financial advisor Richard Kelly Hoskins has promoted racism and anti-Semitism for more than forty years, and has considerably influenced the far right during the past two decades. His books, Christian Identity-based commentaries on history and economics, are among the most popular on the Identity circuit, and he has become a fixture at movement conferences and retreats. He is best known for introducing and advocating, in Vigilantes of Christendom (1990), the purportedly Biblical concept of the "Phineas Priesthood": white supremacist guerrillas who violently avenge "crimes" against the white race. Hoskins' idea, based on a passage from the Book of Numbers, has been adopted or popularized by some of the country's most radical racists and has provided a religious justification for acts of domestic terrorism.
NOTE: I've got better things to do than erase the childish, immature, psychotic, obscene comments from looney Roger Weidner and his gang of illiterate morons, so just put your opinions at the Johnhays.net Forum.
Ha ha ha, that is the most silliest thing I have ever heard in my life! I am been a 'senior' member of AFRA for years. The only thing we defend and expose are corrupt government officials who are hurting our children. We don't care if anyone is black, white, yellow, orange, purple, jewish, islamic, christian, or a Harry Chrishna follower.
Posted by: Susan Harrison at February 23, 2004 08:45 AM | Link
In fact in many cases we have defended those of alternative religions when their children have been taken merely because of their families religious choice.. and yes this does happen, not just to white christians.
The premise is only to expose money laundering to greedy social workers under the false guise of child abuse.
We defend ALL American's who have been unethically targetting or falsely accused of child abuse.
There is real child abuse and just like everyone else we applore it, however, the majority of genuine child abuse and child death is happening in state run foster homes statistically 10 times more likely than in biological homes.
Race or religious background had NEVER been a factor in our association... ever.
It is just the silliest thing I have ever heard.
You're wrong. My first reaction was to laugh, like Susan... this is beyond hilarious. AFRA has nothing to do with religion or racism. I've also been a member since the beginning. AFRA's only mission is to help families who are dealing with America's out-of-control child protection systems that destroy families and leave people, both parents and children, heartbroken and grieving. I wonder why you'd want to interfere with a mission like that by posting something as untrue as this.
Posted by: Linda Martin at February 23, 2004 10:50 AM | Link
I stand my the results of my research. If you'd like to do some research on your own you could start here. Records prove Roger Weidner, who is a close associate of Leonard Henderson, has been involved in the Christian Identity and Sovereign Citizen movements for twenty years or so. Together, they, with a couple of others of their ilk, start the American Family Rights Association.
So you can laugh all you want, but facts can't be laughed away.
By the way, you could also check this out. The bulk of the law enforcement community and the legal community in Oregon agree with my assessment.
Posted by: John Hays at February 23, 2004 12:32 PM | Link
Of course law enforcement in Oregon agree with you. For once an association of 140,000 members are demanding accountability for the actions of a particular government agency. Law Enforcement feels threatened. Oregon is the 'Pioneer Police State) any one dare say that an agency they work with might be wrong and that law enforcement agency gets scared.
Posted by: Susan Harrison at February 23, 2004 12:59 PM | Link
Law Enforcement in other states are not so disagreeable, in fact we have several members who are part of law enforcement and some are even social worker, lawyers, doctors.
We do not have a check mark system for race like the government does. We believe all members are who they are and we need not know where they go to church or what color their skin is.
Roger Wiedner (whoever) is actually NOT a member of AFRA anyway.
Whether Leonard, Pam, I, or any other members have friendships beyond AFRA is just that, a companionship or an aquaitence beyong AFRA. Most of our work is with in the organization, with one another or with this fellow you mention Roger, who I understand you have a long time fued with anyway.
AFRA, itself, promotes positive ideas in creating a safer enviorment for the family unit. It is not centered in Oregon. Change in legislation has taken place across the nation.
I have no problems with people of any race, religion and sexual activity should be left in the bedroom. Whether it be my sex acts in the bedroom or a lesbians actions in the bedroom. It is not dinner time topic subject at any dinner table I know. Sex is not an appropriate topic at the dinner table with small children and families present anyway.
My concern is to use our constitutional rights or we lose them, my concerns center on children and the family unit.
If a government agency goes unchallenged then there is no accountibility.
Please understand that Oregon is only one out of 50 states that are implimenting change. Leonard and Pam just happen to live there. The AFRA movement is far and wide and I should mention also, that VIOLENCE is never promoted or tolerated in the AFRA association. People have been banished for such suggestions.
Thanks for allowing my counter beliefs to remain posted.
This proves that we believe that ALL people have the right to express their views, including YOU, except you must be sure you are not being liable in your statements about any party.
Thank You,
SusieQ
Well I guess Mr Hayes that all of us parents that have been abused by this unjust system are all nutty then!! Amercain Family Rights has over 73,000 members and we are growing bigger every day! To many families have been raped by cps in every state in this country and it needs to be stopped. The judges and the courts are corrupt and they need to all be revamped!!!!
Posted by: linda at February 23, 2004 01:29 PM | Link
Leonard Henderson, along with to many to mention all fight for familey rights. we as parents do still have rights!!Correct???
You need to look and see what is going on in this country and open your eyes!!!!
It seems we are getting noticed,...and for the good for the most part. AFRA is becoming a VERY recognized association. Mr. Hays, if you will notice AFRA stands for American Family Rights Association. Not White Family Right's Association, and anyone (black, white, green, gray, blue or any other color) can join. It is just a matter of wanting to Fight to re-obtain and keep together the Family unit without Government Interference.
Posted by: J.A.Miller at February 23, 2004 03:08 PM | Link
If you want the real Truth, then I dare you to actually visit the website and see for yourself that this is the True motive for AFRA - http://www.FamilyRightsAssociation.com
A lot of people are becoming more and more aware of the injustices of our Government and this is just one facet we are fighting.
BTW - Thanks for the free plug :-)
You are SO wrong, and the attempt to give AFRA a black eye is the attempt to discredit years of hard and diligent work that every one of the 73,000 individual members of AFRA has invested. I know hundreds of those members, and I can assure you that not ONE of us gives a DAMN what church a member goes to, what color their skin is, what party they vote for, or any other thing incidental to the FACT that we share a common enemy. WHO? You ask? The Federal Government which is encroaching more every day on the individual liberties we all cherish, not the least of which is our right to security in our homes, and our right to parent free of intervention from idiots with Social Services paychecks.
Posted by: Christine at February 23, 2004 05:40 PM | Link
I could not give less of a damn what any one of these people privately believe or don't believe. All I care is that we have to be one, in the fight to free our kids from the system that is drugging, raping and killing them in the name of protection, while jailing us, the parents who try to fight back and defend them. If you insist on trying to undermine that, there are probably at least 40,000 people on this AFRA site who, because of our fight with the idiots in power, have developed a pretty decent legal skill. It would not be too much trouble for a group of us to amass our efforts and pursue a defamation suit. As many a Social Services Agent will tell you, we can be a formidable adversary, and one you probably don't want to confront. Trouble with us is, you never know which ones of us are members. We are EVERYWHERE!!!
My suggestion to you is, instead of wasting your talents on this crap, in discrediting other people and stirring hate and discontent, why don;t you invest some of that formidable energy into DOING something about the problems we all face?
By the way, if you believe one word of utterance from any public official in the Kommunist State of OREGON, then I take back everything I just said about your apparent intellect.
For the Record, they all know me as
Christine in Colorado.
Director of COLORADO American Family Rights Assn.
To whom this may concern.....
Posted by: Wanda9003@Juno.com at February 24, 2004 12:18 AM | Link
Your sleaze report concerning AFRA is totally ridiculious.......Almost hilarious! You are so far from the truth of the true purpose and existance of AFRA. My only question to you is......How much are you being paid to downgrade and destroy AFRA? If you are not being paid by someone......then what is your personal interest in trying to destroy, or blacken the reputation of AFRA? AFRA attempts to help ALL people, much more so than I can say for our own Government who tries to destroy families. When people are desperate and searching for answers they usually find AFRA! Do you think that your sleaze report means anything to the people who have lost everything, including their children and are greatly in need of help, reference or answers to why what has happened to them ....has happened? Exposing corruption and helping people......what is wrong with that? May I add that our so called governmental political leaders are destroying the hand that feeds them. Our great governmental officials are using its own citizens, which includes children to fuel their own greed and hunger for power. People are waking up to what the governmental officials are doing to its own people! Do you think that the people would just sit back and take it? Its really very simple, the Governmental officals are wanting to control all the people (no matter the color) at every corner...what we eat, where we work, when we work, whether we keep our children or not, what medications we take or don't take, the schools our children go to, and the list goes on and on. How do these officials gain this power.......????
Well, take a look back into history.....I am told that history repeats itself...Could it be first they have to invade the religious aspect of peoples lifes, then make sure that as many fathers as they can get out of the families...are out of the families life, then making it hard on women thus the women having to become married to the state or the government.........the government then becoming the husband in one sense to the family? Last but not least then the government taking control of the children....I challenge you to go to the AFRA site and read what is taking place in America today..oppression of the people!!!!! Is there any doubt why AFRA and so many other groups exist? If you love to dig up sleaze reports........how about helping American Families dig up the roots to the corruption within our own government and rid America of the corruption that is destroying families all across America?
Roger Weidner even wrote a book. Well, actually Hedy Hammond wrote the book and Roger Weidner dictated it. It's called the "Weidner Method". The following is the preface:
PREFACE
It is my hope that Americans in every county in the country will converge upon their courthouses and use The Weidner Method to fight any kind of case.The courts control the money and the judge controls the cops. Therefore, you have to neutralize that judge. -- Roger Weidner
Throughout my 20 years of research about government corruption The Weidner Method is the first solution I have ever encountered. If nothing else, it will expose duplicity and make the entire community aware of it, a necessary first step.
Government child-snatching, IRS extortion, voting fraud, government racketeering, health food laws, lawyer malpractice, property taxes, the necessity for citizen oversight of government agencies, unlawfully mandated 501(c)3 non-profit status for churches, the unlawfully mandated driver's license for sovereign citizens, lack of protective tariffs, overwhelming imports, mind control, national security abuses, land rights, heavy-handed cops, unlawful search and seizure, conflicts of interest, federal funding of abuses, Federal Reserve audit, violation of freedom of worship, poisoning of the air, land and water through chemicals in the water, chemical fertilizers and pesticides and chemtrails, multi-vitamin labeling that doesn't include absorption rate or info that nutrients are synthetic, issues concerning hybridized seeds, public schools, taxes, too much government, alloidal ownership of land, regulation of industry which should emanate from the people not the federal government, unlawful and unConstitutitonal laws and statutes, lawyers holding office (13th amendment), any and all ways in which our Constitutional rights are being denied-all these and countless other issues can be addressed in the courtroom using The Weidner Method.
The government should be formed from the bottom up in cells of 10 families as described in the writings of Kelly Hoskins, author of the Hoskins Report. Senators should again be elected by state Legislatures, no more foreign aid, fractional reserve banking should be outlawed, debtfree money should be issued by the Congress, solar technology, which was running factories 100 years ago, should be unsuppressed, natural healing should be unsuppressed, the truth should be unsuppressed, and countless other issues can be addressed in the courtroom using the The Weidner Method.
According to history, when a nation is in transition from one form of government to a different type of government, as we are now (making the transition from freedom to enslavement) there is a point in the struggle, a section of time, during which it could go either way. I believe we are presently teetering on that brink.
Hedy Hammond
As noted in the paragraph above, the cult wants to form society along the teachings of Kelly Hoskins. The following is an excerpt from an article by the Anti-Defamation League.
Although not as well known as white supremacists such as Matt Hale and the late William Pierce, Virginia financial advisor Richard Kelly Hoskins has promoted racism and anti-Semitism for more than forty years, and has considerably influenced the far right during the past two decades. His books, Christian Identity-based commentaries on history and economics, are among the most popular on the Identity circuit, and he has become a fixture at movement conferences and retreats. He is best known for introducing and advocating, in Vigilantes of Christendom (1990), the purportedly Biblical concept of the "Phineas Priesthood": white supremacist guerrillas who violently avenge "crimes" against the white race. Hoskins' idea, based on a passage from the Book of Numbers, has been adopted or popularized by some of the country's most radical racists and has provided a religious justification for acts of domestic terrorism.
Posted by: John Hays at February 24, 2004 12:31 AM | Link
You don't seem to get it. Roger Weidner is not a member of AFRA and never was. None of us know him. And we don't know what kind of Christian Leonard is and don't care because he's never tried to get us to join anything religious... not even those of us who have been in AFRA since its inception.
AFRA is for helping oppressed families of all races and religions. That's all.
Posted by: Linda Martin at February 24, 2004 01:44 AM | Link
Then why has Leonard Henderson, co-founder of American Family Rights Association, and some of the others associated with AFRA been so closely allied with Roger Weidner and others in the racist, homophobic Christian Identity and Sovereign Citizen movements over the years. Look at one of Leonard's signature lines that he has used on numerous emails.
Leonard Henderson
Oregon Family Rights
OregonFamilyRights.com
~AND~
American Family Rights Association
http://FamilyRightsAssociation.com
~AND~
Roger Weidner for Governor Campaign
www.rogerweidner.com/Are you trying to tell me that the co-founders and others in AFRA don't know that they're hanging out with a bunch of lunatic racists?
Posted by: John Hays at February 24, 2004 02:42 AM | Link
Dear Mr. Hays:
I am a lawyer, and a member of AFRA, along with many others dedicated to stopping the ruin of families by government social workers. In all my conversations with Leonard Henderson or other AFRA members, none have involved racial or religious bias. Whatever Mr. Henderson's politics, he has not made them a part of AFRA. In fact, most of us regard most politicians with disdain, since most of them, federal or state, stand for policies that are destructive to families. Most "mainstream" pols, and most lawyers I know, support candidates who embrace far more ridiculous notions than anything AFRA's most radical members could envision. Most politicians are Marxists, fascists, or socialists of some sort, who advocate total government, (not in their rhetoric, of course, but in their actions) and accept it without question, while our freedoms languish. It is odd that you should pick on one of the few groups fighting for freedom against one of the worst forms of tyranny, i.e. the kidnapping, abuse and trauma of children and famlies, and accuse it of that always-reliable bogeyman of the enemies of freedom: racism. Works every time, when someone dares to challenge the hegemony of government. It may be you who is the dupe of the establishment, which has become the biggest danger to freedom, truth, and liberty on the planet.
Posted by: Gregory A. Hession at February 24, 2004 03:57 AM | Link
You obviously have some big name friends of your own. Would you care to list them? Would there be any in that list that have a reason to want to defame Leonard Henderson and this organization? I have a strong suspicion Sir, that there would be. AFRA has been the only place for people who have been abused by the corruption of a powerful government agency to have any chance to defend themselves against the lies, threats and intimidation that are used everyday. Those of us who have no money for attorneys, yet have to face a prosecuting attorney, who have no knowledge of their legal rights let alone their civil rights have found help at AFRA, when we believed there was none. We have found moral support and an outlet for the frustration and fear that comes with being involved with an agency so powerful and so protected. If there was no AFRA, there would be no help for thousands of people. I am grateful for this organization and will tell all that I meet who face this to become a member. There is still a lot of work to be done to end the tyranny and abuses of this system, but with AFRA a beginning has come and I do believe there are many who fear it. Your very attack on AFRA shows the PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE against you.
Posted by: Brenda Ray at February 24, 2004 06:30 AM | Link
Really the below means nothing........there have been times I have supported a candidate running for an office only to find out he/she was not working for the people so...........that particuliar person lost my support and vote....we all probably have signature lines that include someone or some organization we supported only to find out that they werent what they projected one to believe.....the below proves nothing to me!
WandaThen why has Leonard Henderson, co-founder of American Family Rights Association, and some of the others associated with AFRA been so closely allied with Roger Weidner and others in the racist, homophobic Christian Identity and Sovereign Citizen movements over the years. Look at one of Leonard's signature lines that he has used on numerous emails.
Leonard Henderson
Oregon Family Rights
OregonFamilyRights.com
~AND~
American Family Rights Association
http://FamilyRightsAssociation.com
~AND~
Roger Weidner for Governor Campaign
www.rogerweidner.com/Are you trying to tell me that the co-founders and others in AFRA don't know that they're hanging out with a bunch of lunatic racists?
Posted by: Wanda at February 24, 2004 10:36 AM | Link
Once last comment.
Posted by: Susan Harrison at February 25, 2004 07:26 AM | Link
As far as candidates for political office goes, we research candidates on the ISSUE of CPS REFORM to the benefit of families. We find the candidates that are aware of this crisis and take our concerns very seriously. In many states the promotion of such candidates that support the ethical treatment of families and their privacy, keeping them together and stopping corruption have proven fruitful.
Any candidate that supports freedom and our ideals are promoted in signature emails and through out our communities.
It is not damning to Leonard or anyone's rep to see this candidate promoted.
If you have issues with the prior candidate, then take it up with him. You don't need to assume that those who support the candidate for his stance on certain issues are people in white sheets.
This does not hinder our workmenship and respect of Leonard at all.
Thanks for hearing me out,
SusieQ
This "expose" of AFRA out-McCarthys McCarthy. AFRA represents people of all colors, religions, parties, and beliefs, who have a common antipathy to the child welfare system as currently administered, and a desire to raise the public's consciousness in regard to those issues. Those are the only qualifications for joining AFRA. Allegations about the political beliefs of individual members have no relevance to the group.
Posted by: Dennis Jacques at March 20, 2004 04:36 AM | Link
Sir, you sound like a very depressed, abusive, angry, bitter, hateful, hurtful, unloved, unloving, uncaring, spiteful, sad and lonely man.
I have to wonder how you can even look at yourself in the mirror. It appears that you are out to destroy everything and everyone in your path and how sad it is that you sir do not care who you hurt as long as you get what you want, including your own family.Your attacks on AFRA are unfounded not to mention slanderous. I have seen your research and honestly, it really has nothing to do with AFRA. Why is it your business anyway? Are you bored or what? You really ought to go and get a life and stop using and attacking other people who try to do good just so you can make yourself look good and feel better. You appear to get pleasure off of other peoples pain and struggles.
Have you tried making a appointment with a counselor? If not, maybe you should really think about it. There are medications you can take that will help you. It is not healthy for one to be so depressed and angry as you sound. I really feel sorry for you.
Posted by: NOYB at March 20, 2004 05:13 PM | Link
I forgot to mention. I have a wonderful and beautiful multi-racial family who also support AFRA 100 percent. What race are we? We are the HUMAN race!!!!!
Posted by: NOYB at March 20, 2004 05:21 PM | Link
Check out the following letter from Leonard Henderson.
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From: "Leonard Henderson" - leonard@oregonfamilyrights.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Subject: Re: Carroll county arkansas D.H.S
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:44:08 -0800You need to document everything that has happened and FILE it with everybody
involved so you have appealable issues in the future.No matter what stage your "case" is in, the absolute Number One (#1) thing
YOU MUST DO-Document, Document, Document. Write your own version of history in Sworn Affidavit form
http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/FORMS/SAMPLE_AFFIDAVIT.TXT
and FILE IT with the Court, the CPS, the DA, and whoever else that has ANYTHING to do with your case.Learn as much as you can, as fast as you can
http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/info/help/index.htmlMay I strongly suggest getting Pamela Gaston's "Sui Juris"? This is a HOW TO MANUAL to get your RECORD into the court and fight these maggots to a stand still. http://www.avoiceforchildren.com
Leonard Henderson
Oregon Family Rights
http://OregonFamilyRights.com
~and~
American Family Rights Association
http://FamilyRightsAssociation.com--------------------
Put two and two together just with the info on the post. It's rather obvious that you aren't reading anything on this post or at this post. It's also obvious that you're just repeating the party line of the anti-government, "sovereign citizen" zealots.
It's a good thing other people are reading this website and realizing that the anti-government, "sovereign citizen" extremists are just using the "family rights" issue to further a stupid, irrational agenda. Also, check out the following excerpt from Oregon Judicial Watch newsletter dated October 2003.
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At the October meeting Roger faced down a dissident group asking him to resign as President of OJW. Dissidents are unhappy with his charging for helping prepare legal papers to represent themselves in court as he is a disbarred lawyer and they are unhappy also for charging to publish their story in THE OREGON OBSERVER. When does a reputable newspaper charge for a news worthy story? They ask does the Weidner Method get back our children? Our land? Our property? Keep us out of prison? No, it does not. Beautiful little Melissa Gaston has been adopted away. The legal heir of the multi-million dollar Kettleberg Estate did not receive a dime. Hartford VanDyke is in prison. Lanny Mateir is in prison. The Reussers did not prevail against Washington Mutual (Ken tells us though Roger has not charged them a dime). In these and many other court battles where the Weidner Method has been tried, including Roger’s own attempt to save his investment in a houseboat, all lost. .
Can it honestly be said failure was due to a corrupt judicial system? Or can it be said that fine points of law were missed? And that judges being human beings retaliate to name calling and threats and intimidation from what appears to them to be vigilantes? The Oregon Bar doesn’t seem to care what Roger does. Why is that? Because they see him as inconsequential? Or is it because he prevents Oregon Judicial Watch from being well accepted and a moving force for constructive change?
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So quit giving me the programmed responses and start realizing the people behind AFRA are manipulating and lying to people who truly need help in order to further the Christian Identity-Sovereign Citizens War with the State.
Posted by: John Hays at March 20, 2004 06:18 PM | Link
I am a PROUD MEMBER OF AFRA OF WA We are fighting for the rights of our families and you sir are one sick individual who has nothing better to do with your life. My Children are the most important thing to me and I will fight to the death for them!! I sir believe all of us are equal no matter what color or religion.
Posted by: Kelly Vick at March 21, 2004 01:19 PM | Link
Kelly Vick