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I don't think I'm treasonous

I got the following email asking if I'm in a conspiracy to commit treason. I don't think I am in a conspiracy to commit treason. I'm just exposing that lying slimeball, Roger Weidner.

Read the following email:

Date: 12/9/2003 04:17:57 -0800
From: "Peter/CLGUS" peter@commonlawgov.us
Reply-to: "Peter/CLGUS" peter@commonlawgov.us
To: editor
CC: "jeff weakley" CryAloud2Israel@webtv.net,
"charles" charles@christiancommonlaw-gov.org
Subject: treason

john michael hays,

are you in a conspiracy to commit treason?

i have come to know of the work of
leroy schweitzer, charles stewart, & jeffrey weakley. i believe these men to be honorable patriots saving america.

i see that you have criticized them, but that you seem not to have any sworn affidavits in support of your accusations.

it seems that your making slanderous accusations against these good american patriots
in order to destroy their efforts at saving america
from hostile take-over from the babylonian-whore jurisdiction as described in revelation 17.

again,
are you in a conspiracy to commit treason?

please answer in a timlely manner; or your silence may be presumed as an admission by you
that by your cowardly silence you are admitting
that the answer to the above question is "yes";
& that a conscience-bound & constitutionally-lawful jury has full lawful right & duty to try you for your evil crime of treasonous conspiracy
and to sentence you to absolotely what-ever punnishment they unanimously deem to be constitutionally justified.

sincerely,

peter

I've already been sentenced to death by Victor Oekerman, his brilliant disbarred attorney, Roger Weidner, and some of their buddies in a Christian Common Law Court. I guess they are going to do it again.

I wonder if it had anything to do with what I wrote below:

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As many people here in Washington County, Oregon are aware, Sleazy Roger G. Weidner and the Christian Identity, Sovereign Citizen Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman cult like to stalk judges, cops and even me when they're not being really sleazy. The following is an excerpt from the Oregon Judicial Watch newsletter dated October 2003.

Next meeting will be Saturday, Nov. 8, 2 – 4 pm, at the Beaverton Public Library, 5th & Hall. Come and listen to Roger Weidner explain how successful he believes the Weidner Method is. For those who wonder what is the Weidner Method, it’s preparing and filing in court a Request for Summary Judgment; get a court hearing date, then go to court with a group of sup-porters; state the facts of your case; the opposition states their position; and the judge hands down a decision.

At the October meeting Roger faced down a dissident group asking him to resign as President of OJW. Dissidents are unhappy with his charging for helping prepare legal papers to represent themselves in court as he is a disbarred lawyer and they are unhappy also for charging to publish their story in THE OREGON OBSERVER. When does a reputable newspaper charge for a news worthy story? They ask does the Weidner Method get back our children? Our land? Our property? Keep us out of prison? No, it does not. Beautiful little Melissa Gaston has been adopted away. The legal heir of the multi-million dollar Kettleberg Estate did not receive a dime. Hartford VanDyke is in prison. Lanny Mateir is in prison. The Reussers did not prevail against Washington Mutual (Ken tells us though Roger has not charged them a dime). In these and many other court battles where the Weidner Method has been tried, including Roger’s own attempt to save his investment in a houseboat, all lost.

Can it honestly be said failure was due to a corrupt judicial system? Or can it be said that fine points of law were missed? And that judges being human beings retaliate to name calling and threats and intimidation from what appears to them to be vigilantes? The Oregon Bar doesn’t seem to care what Roger does. Why is that? Because they see him as inconsequential? Or is it because he prevents Oregon Judicial Watch from being well accepted and a moving force for constructive change?

When the cult is not brainwashing my kids to hate me or ordering my sister, Chris Andrea Hays, to run around and scream and falsely accuse innocent strangers of strange and exotic crimes, it seems the cult has decided to stalk a federal judge and five federal prosecutors.

Hartford VanDyke Jr.
a $ 1.76 billion lien against Judge John C. Coughenour &
Sat Dec 14 22:26:47 2002
208.152.73.228

THE COLUMBIAN
Friday, February 21, 1997
Section: B section
Page: 2

DEFENDANTS' SUPPORTERS FILE LIEN AGAINST JUDGE AND PROSECUTORS

AP

SEATTLE (AP) -- Supporters of seven defendants on trial in U.S. District Court in an anti-government conspiracy case have filed a $ 1.76 billion lien against Judge John C. Coughenour and five federal prosecutors.

The document was filed Tuesday in federal court by Hartford VanDyke Jr. of Battle Ground on behalf of the National Association for Commercial Accountability, which has a Lynnwood address, and on behalf of nine people who were charged in the alleged conspiracy against the government.

U.S. Attorney Harry McCarthy, head of the federal criminal division here, said similar papers have been filed against the government before.

"To my knowledge, none of them has ever been sustained," he told The Bellingham Herald. "We have a process here with respect to those sorts of filings and get those fairly easily dismissed."

Two of the nine already have pleaded guilty. A U.S. District Court jury is deliberating the charges against the others who are members of or have ties to the Washington State Militia and Freemen.

The papers name VanDyke, Carl Roman Iverson of Sultan and Ross Tylor of Mill Creek as the association's agents.

McCarthy said VanDyke, Iverson and Tylor have no legal standing because they're not parties to the criminal case.

"There's nothing for the court to consider," he said.

The eight-page document seeks, in part, to remove the criminal case from federal court and turn it over to the state.

VanDyke accused the judge and the prosecutors of conspiring to overthrow the state and U.S. governments, defrauding the nine defendants of their rights and kidnapping them into federal jurisdiction.

Both Iverson and Tylor filed liens against property owned by Chelan County Sheriff Dan Breda and other Eastern Washington officials involved in the prosecution of a Wenatchee man who claimed he didn't have to have a driver's license. Chelan and Douglas county officials went to court and had the liens declared illegal.

In 1994, Tylor filed a lien against a Snohomish County Superior Court judge who handled a civil case against him. Another judge ruled the lien was filed with malicious intent.

In July, Iverson and two other men filed numerous court papers in Monroe stemming from Iverson's arrest on charges of driving without a driver's license and having no liability insurance. The documents originated from a tribunal described as "our one supreme court" in Justus Township in King County.

Iverson has a history of running afoul of police in Snohomish and King counties because he claims that driving is a right, not a privilege, so police have no authority to arrest him.

In a separate court action, Gene and Mary Goosman of Seattle filed a motion and affidavit against Coughenour demanding that he "obey his oath of office" in presiding over the conspiracy trial.

The Goosmans, who have attended most of the federal trial, accused Coughenour and Assistant U.S. Attorney Susan Dohrmann, the lead prosecutor, of violating their oaths and tampering with evidence.

The Goosmans are unhappy that the judge refused to allow the jury to see a pamphlet called the "Citizens Rule Book." The book includes a claim that jury tampering is acceptable, and it encourages jurors to nullify laws they believe are bad by acquitting defendants. It also says jurors don't have to obey any judge or attorney.

What would cause members of the cult to want to stalk a federal judge and federal prosecutors, other than the fact members of the cult are crazy.
Let's check out the the following.

Terressa "Affidavit of Prejudice" - Hartford VanDyke
Sat Dec 14 21:52:26 2002
208.152.73.228

Ken: You think that's bad take a look at what I'm sending you about what is going to happen to Hartford VanDyke.

(From Terressa, see below)

liaisongroup@juno.com
_________________________________________

First of all, I'm asking for your help which I will state in more detail at the end of this email, but I wanted to give you some preliminary facts first, and I'm so proud of you for keeping up the good work you do.

There is a national emergency that has come up and I'd like to address it to you in the hope that you may take an interest as part of a radio show. Hartford VanDyke (HVD), President of the National Association for Commercial Accountability has been on trial for 7 days in Federal Court in Portland, Oregon. Judge Robert E. Jones stated at the end of the trial that Commercial Law is "Polluting the Economy." The trial was instigated by the Federal Reserve and possibly including the Treasury Dept.

To attrack your attention I'm going to give you the following list off of an "Affidavit of Prejudice" which witnesses who attended the 7 day trial filled out noting the Judge's violations of Hartford's Constitutional rights. O.K. here goes:

The Judge:
-Forbids defendant to speak; allows only his attorney to speak (HVD did not use an attorney).
-Ignored defendant's challenge to Court's jurisdiction.
-Allowed an insufficient or defective indictment to stand.
-Disregarded defendant's challenge of the indictment.
-Argues with defendant in place of plaintiff.
-Interrupts defendant when defendant is speaking.
-Gives plaintiff more freedom to speak that defendant.
-Forbids allies of defendant to speak.
-Refuses to allow defendant to question the plaintiff.
-Overrules objections of defendant, but sustains plaintiff's objections.
-Tries to steer the discussion in a direction favorable to plaintiff.
-Suppresses discussion of relevant issues.
-Encourages discussion of irrelevant issues.
-Allows emotion more leeway than pure fact of law.
-Makes the jury leave the courtroom while arguments favorable to defendant are discussed.
-Instructs jury to judge only the facts, not the law.
-Tells the jury only those items of law that favor the plaintiff.
-Fails to tell the jury items of law that favor the defendant.
-Violation of Court Rules and Fair Trial by exclusion of evidence.
-Violation of Antitrust Acts; Plaintiffs's Attorneys and Judge are members of Bar Association.
-Does not allow defendant to define words that will help witnesses to answer questions.
-Denial of witnesses.
-Stacked the jury by eliminating jurors knowledgeable about Government corruption. At the end of the trial Hartford and John Nolan, who was a codefendant, were ordered by Judge Jones to be detained for psychological evaluations.

I was told that the judge will not do sentencing for 2 months from now which leads me to believe (and has happened to many patriots before) they will keep Hartford and John in a Mental facility shooting them full of drugs, etc. for 2 months.

They moved and separated both Hartford and John on Friday, December 13th, 2002. No one, so far will tell us where Hartford is.
The Feds want Americans to stop using Commercial Law aka Contract Law. It is the law our Country was founded on, and even the Bible speaks to it. So how do they expect Commerce to continue around the globe without the use of Commercial Law?

Hartford's been teaching and practicing Commercial Law for 30+ years.

Also Judge Jones was the one who conducted the voir dire of the jurors and he made sure that none of the jurors picked had ever had ANY difficulties of any kind with any government agency, especially the IRS.

Hartford is a sovereign American states citizen. If we don't get him out, or at least draw a lot of attention to this matter; Hartford's a dead man. The government, especially the Feds have tried in the past to take him down, but this time the Feds will be putting him in a mental institution for an indefinite period of time where they will be injecting him with all sorts of drugs. Hartford is now 60 years old. He will be doing a fast; he will not eat their food or drink their water. He's been threatened too many times and he's done nothing illegal.

Now here is what I hope you can help me with: Because Hartford's life is in serious jeopardy, I wonder if you know of any friendly Judges, or FBI agents I could speak with personally. And would you please send this out nationally so the Americans across the country who have been helped by Hartford can be notified. I will need their help in keeping track of Hartford wherever they keep moving him so the government won't be able to keep him secretly hidden. He's not a terrorist for God's sake. He's a kind man who helps people with their various problems. And most the people he helps are poverty stricken, but he helps them anyway.

There's much more to the story, but I wanted to keep this email as short as possible, for now. Time is of the essence.

I'm praying that you will take interest in this matter.

There are still people coming out to where I live from Hillsboro, Oregon and Beaverton, Oregon telling me that members of the cult are fine, upstanding Christians and I should be like them. Some of these people also tell me they are members of the Hillsboro, Oregon Chamber of Commerce and American Legion Post 104 in Aloha, Oregon.

Hmmmm.......let's see........maybe we can assume the Hillsboro Chamber of Commerce is the only Chamber of Commerce in the entire USA that thinks fanatical homophobia and white supremacy are good business practices. Maybe we can also assume that American Legion Post 104 thinks it's a bad idea to let non-master Aryan race veterans become members of the post.

At least we know a couple of Navy JAG officers agree with the cult and have even been helping them. Strange thing for Navy JAG officers to be involved in.

Sometimes members of the cult will park their SUVs in different places in the neighborhood and watch the house where I live. Sometimes, and this has been going on since I moved into the house where I live, they will drive by as I'm walking to the store and throw trash and other things at me. Washington County, Oregon is the weirdest place I've ever lived.

After the divorce with Faye Marie Oekerman in 1980, she and I made arrangements for our son. I then enlisted in the Navy expecting my relatives and the ex-wife and her relatives to act responsibly while I was away. Little did I realize the ex-wife; her crazy relatives; their really crazy lawyer, Roger Weidner; and my relatives would lose contact with reality and screw everything up while I was away.

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One of Roger's buddies, Hartford Van Dyke how now been convicted of some federal crimes but in the following post, you can tell that he thinks LeRoy Schweitzer of the Montana Freeman is a patriot.

MONEY

by

Hartford Van Dyke

Non-Union Lawyer
All debts are satisfied by one or both of two things: a payment, and a promise to pay. Every payment is by substance, and every promise to pay is accomplished by a currency or paper which is technically known as a commercial lien. The satisfaction of the debt by providing substance is called "paying the debt". The satisfaction of the debt by a written or printed promise to pay the debt is called "discharging the debt". All debts are "paid" by substance. All debts are only "discharged" by currency, pocket money notes, or other commercial liens.

The symbol of energy in a social system is called money.
Money is of two kinds, either substance money or paper money. Substance money includes real property (land), precious metals (gold, silver, copper, etc.), gems, and other things of real and lasting value. Paper money consists of notes which declare a debt or obligation and which promise or demand payment. All such evidence of debt or obligation are technically known as Commercial Liens. Such notes include currency (for example, Federal Reserve Notes), checks, drafts (conditional checks), notes of exchange (paper money between banks), etc.

EACH AND EVERY FORM OF PAPER MONEY IS A COMMERCIAL LIEN.

A Federal Reserve Note is a commercial lien on the Federal Reserve Bank. A personal check is a commercial lien on the bank account of the maker of the check (cheque). A draft is a check (cheque) with a conditional agreement printed above the place of endorsement on the back side of the draft. A note of exchange is a commercial lien between banks consisting of one bank demanding payment from another bank. A personal check (cheque), while passing between banks, is a note of exchange. Even a cash register receipt used to obtain a refund from a store for defective merchandise, signed and handed to the cashier as proof of purchase, is, and can be used as, a medium of exchange/money by the store to obtain a refund or more product from the manufacturer.

Bank accounts are backed (supported) either by substance money or by paper money, or by both. The substance money is called collateral. The paper money can be currency (for example, paper money notes), a loan of credit from the bank, or checks or other paper money such as commercial liens received from other sources.

A debt which is satisfied by substance money is said to be "paid". A debt which is satisfied by paper money is said to be "discharged". Most debts in the United States of America are satisfied by the use of currency, checks (cheques), or other paper representative of value (of a debt to be paid), in other words, are satisfied generally by commercial liens, hence most debts in the United States are not "paid", they are only "discharged".

A valid currency can be established by making a valid claim of debt by an affidavit in the form of a commercial lien and by allowing that lien to mature in three (3) months (90 days) into accounts receivable by the failure of the lien debtor to contest the lien (and its affidavit) by a counter-affidavit. (A lien must contain (1) the names of the parties, claimants and debtors, (2) an Affidavit stating the events which created the obligation, (3) a ledger giving a one-to-one correspondence between events and their values, (4) a list of property pledged or claimed to secure the payment of the obligation, and (5) any evidence or exhibits in support of the claims made against the debtor.)

The primary method of establishing a commercial lien currency/paper money is to combine (1) a promise to perform, (2) a claim of a breach of that promise, and (3) a three month (90 day) default by the failure to challenge or rebut the claim of breach of contract.

Commercial Lien Currency can take the form of a bank check (cheque), a draft, or some other mode of commercial lien assignment.

MONTANA: Regarding LEROY SCHWEITZER
LEROY SCHWEITZER has, according to one of his students, researched the law to understand money and to understand how the law authorizes any knowledgeable individual to obtain financing through the comptroller of the currency of the United States of America using matured commercial liens. The universal method which he discovered by his studies naturally creates a money system which could harmoniously operate side by side with that of the Federal Reserve System and the United States Government. However, Mr. Schweitzer is willing to operate his system without charging interest for the use of his capital, whereas the Federal Reserve System does charge interest for the use of its capital and does not want to lose that interest through the competition with Mr. Scwheitzer. Hence the attacks on Mr. Schweitzer and his students by the Federal Reserve Corporation and the U.S. Government which protects the Federal Reserve Corporation. Schweitzer's application of the law works.

Hartford Van Dyke
Non-Union Lawyer
P.O. Box 3100
Battle Ground, WA 98604

New info: The cult has been passing out bogus confessions that I'm supposed to have signed. I've never signed any confession in my life.

Question for the post: How could the cult have conned a couple of Navy JAG officers and YN3 Cathy Winters into doing the cult's bidding?

The Navy certainly seems to want to hide the fact that a couple of it Navy JAG officers might be associating with and doing the bidding of various white supremacist groups.

Well, we might as well check out what an angry female white racist believes:

Subject: Bennett on Clarke

Clark's article in defense of fags is dangerous, because it is seductive. His rationalizing *seems* logical because it's internally consistent. But it rests on falsehood and false premise.

His first error is rewriting history. Homosexuality was never accepted in ancient Greece and Rome-- or any other White civilization. There has never been hard evidence for this spurious claim, which contradicts commonsense. Man-boy love and anal intercourse common and accepted!?? That's threadbare fantasy, created by the leftist Jew media, and a few overrated homosexual writers-- like the mystical, pondering head-scratcher, Plato.

The only time homosexuality was common in Rome, was right before its collapse-- after Rome had been taken over by Semites and niggers. When the Goths and Vandals discovered their kidnapped young sons were being used as male prostitutes (German children were paid as tithe to the decaying, corrupt Empire)-- they slaughtered every last inhabitant of the city, and left the exposed corpses to rot-- call it spring cleaning!

Bigelow points out in his book _The Joy of Uncircumcising_,

that any man whose glans was uncovered in the Greek Gymnasium, while wrestling nude or otherwise-- was banned from the Gymnasium, ejected from the brotherhood and shunned from the military-aristocracy. That meant that all circumcised Jews as well as fags were banned. You started to get an erection while wrestling nude? Then you were kicked out of society-- became a total outcast.

You see, in reality, Greeks were so un-gay, they could wrestle naked with other guys without giving a thought about someone thinking they were gay. It's proof NOT of how gay they were, but how straight they were. Further proof of their psychological health is their beautiful art, which glorifies the human body, health, masculinity, femininity, hearth, home, and strength. In JewFag Amerikwa, we see a naked body and nervously snigger 'fag!' or 'porn!' Puritanism and perversion always go together.

Clark equivocates between male expressions of affection-- and queer sexuality-- all throughout his essay. Let's keep the two distinct. It's one thing for a father in ancient Greece to kiss his son on the lips, or a couple comrades to sleep together or hug each other goodbye. Same-sex LOVE is not gay! In America, though, we are so saturated with gay propaganda, fathers are afraid to kiss their sons-- or even hug. Male affection and bonding is one thing-- fudge-packing is something else. Let's not rationalize, Clark: in Europe, women hold hands and men hug and kiss. That doesn't mean they have "homosexual feelings."

Clark's second error is one of evasion-- when he claims fags aren't inherentently dangerous. And I disagree with Herr Alex Linder when he brushes off fags as something to "laugh at." Judith Riesman in her book _Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences_,

proves that fags are all pedophilic predators under the skin. This is because a homosexual male, by definition, is attracted to masculinity. Where can he find masculinity? Certainly not among his fudge-packing, spread-eagled, limp-wristed cohorts. He looks to a straight man to fall in love with. Riesman compiles a mountain of studies that show a very uniform pattern: all queers, no matter how promiscuous, cherish a memory of unrequited love-- The One they really cared about. And he was a heterosexual, masculine man-- often a high school peer.

Fags are inherently frustrated, then, and driven to pursue and corrupt (or rape) heterosexual men. Where can they find prey? Among defenseless, masculine little boys and straight men in prison. This is why a fag is 300X more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual man. Short of child-rape/molestation, Riesman shows how fags gravitate toward opportunities to corrupt little boys in developmental stages-- as Boy Scout counselors, priests, coaches, etc. Many fags are the way they are, because of genetic brain defects. But many have been *made* through abnormal experiences in childhood and adolescence.

And THIS is why fags are dangerous, even when they're supposedly "in the closet."

What do I think of lesbians? I think there is no such thing as a lesbian (other than a shemale with a hormone imbalance); there is only such a thing as a flake. Every "lesbian" or "bisexual" woman I've run across, has been uniformly crazy in every aspect of living. There are those who die their hair pink and hug trees, smoking dope, wearing lace pants and combat boots-- and there are those who are "ultra-feminized"-- vapid dreamy unfocused stares, long unkempt hair, and creative-writing orgasms over tip-toe-through-the-tulips-nonsense poetry. So I don't think there's such a thing as a lesbian-- just such a thing as a crazy kook.

Of course, there are a few borderline women who can't stand getting their vagina scraped and pounded by desensitized, skinned, circumcised American dicks-- who in desperation think, "Is THIS all sex is? What a disappointment!" then go feel up their college roomie. And there are a few intelligent, almost normal men who are so sickened by feminism and female-brainlessness, they turn to their male friends in a homosocial way, that turns into homosexuality borne of pure loneliness. Perhaps Clark falls into this group.

Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, Clark. "I'm okay, you're okay," is a fruit-loopy futile exercise. Read Riesman and Bigelow, and find yourself a High Quality Woman. Don't rationalize that gays are okay.

Elizabeth Bennett

But you know what? Elizabeth Bennet could be a fake:

I wanted to bring attention to a traitor that is posing as a White racialism woman. She goes by the name Catherine or Katta, which could both be fake. She uses names like "Only For Forever" and "KristaMass" on aol. She approached a few Creators online from the New England area seeking to learn more about us. We did meet with her and she seemed a little odd (doesn't eat any kind of pork products, Jewish?) so were cautious in our dealings with her. She has a tattoo on her neck that would normally make us believe she's a racist female, 14*777*88. This is apparently just to get into the scene. In some captured emails and IM's we were able to observe her talking to Daryl from Onepeoplesproject (anti-racist site) about how she was being paid by the feds and how she was leaving Mass to go to New Jersey and maybe further. This young woman cannot be trusted by anyone. She has no problem trying to blend in and has on several occasion's sent topless pics to both men and women in our movement, she is twisted. She claimed to be 18, but considering that she has moved all over the country, ie: Hawaii, Georgia, New Jersey and Mass that we know of, it's hard to say how old she really is. She tells people that she was raised by the Klan in Georgia, so they need to be aware of her too. I'm sure she's not the only one out there, so be careful with new recruits. If anyone thinks they know her and want to see a pic of her or the IM's that we have let me know and I'll send it out.

RAHOWA!! 14/88

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