Why are the Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman gang allowed to give legal advice?
Despite the beliefs of a crazy cop who goes to my relatives' church, my relatives, and some other members of the loony, homophobic, racist Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman gang here in loony Washington County, Oregon that Roger and the gang are brilliant legal scholars, there are people in Oregon and elsewhere who believe that Roger and his gang giving legal advice is bad for the people receiving legal advice, Oregonians, and American citizens elsewhere.
One of the people who believes that Roger and his gang shouldn't be allowed to give out extremely stupid legal advice is Edgar J. Steele. The following post explains what he and many others believe.
A Voice for Incoherence
by Edgar J. Steele
July 3, 2002
"See the happy moron -
He doesn't give a damn..."
----Ogden Nash
"The world is full of morons," I intoned solemnly as my son turned fourteen this year. "That's the Fourth Immutable Law of the Universe, and don't you forget it."
I've been doling out these universal truths, one at a time, as a part of preparing him for life. Admittedly, I haven't made any of them up, but I am responsible for assembling them in this form. I always stay one or two ahead of him and will provide the last, number ten, just as he is ready to graduate from high school, less than four years from now.
Here's where I am so far:
Men are right.
Women are slow.
Mom is never wrong.
The world is full of morons.
The old ways are the best ways.
Pigs get fat – hogs get slaughtered.
Do the right thing; not the smart thing.
Yes, I know - please don't email me about what an insufferable male chauvinist pig I am.
Years ago, a vice president of the company for which I then worked had a plaque in his office which read: "There is no defense against stupidity." I recall being annoyed with his outright arrogance - and that plaque was the least of it. That his name was Goldberg will be no surprise to many. Time and again, however, the world has shown me the inherent wisdom of that homily, though I would never dream of giving it such a place of prominence in my life.
There are some truths better left alone. Such as, "The world is full of morons." That doesn't make them any less true.
My last, No Justice for the Politically Incorrect , recounted the latest stopover in the Christine case, wherein I bemoaned the injustice of the legal system and the manner with which it deals with the politically incorrect.
I have said it before, but it bears repetition: the legal system is irretrievably broken. And, there is no fixing it, most particularly not by using the system's own mechanisms in the attempt.
Once in the system, one can only hope to exit by using the rules of the system itself, however unfair they may be. Best, by far, is staying out of the system altogether, particularly if you are the type that it inherently dislikes. Today, aside from true criminals, that means the politically incorrect.
However, there is another aspect to the legal system that bears examination, particularly by the politically incorrect, and it played a key role in the Christine case. There is a cottage industry that has grown up around the legal system, an industry that the Internet, more than anything else, has made possible. It has no real name as yet, though its denizens go by a host of labels, some self applied and some applied to them by others. "Constitutionalist" is the one that I hear most often, spoken proudly by those within this faction and derisively by those outside.
The irony is that there is nothing Constitutional about most of these people; Thomas Jefferson would have shot them dead on the front lawn of the White House (didn't know that he actually did that once, did you?).
The members of this legal "black market" espouse all manner of tricks and tactics purporting to allow one to elude the consequences of one's own actions (as in the liens employed by those people in Montana, you know, the "Just Us" guys) or to foil the evil members of the formal legal system. They are particularly taken with the UCC system, for some unfathomable reason (it applies to products in commerce only, by the way).
One of my favorites is the suggestion that so often is thrown at me, encouraging me to get my clients to "opt out" of American society by becoming something called "sovereign citizens." Supposedly, then they cannot be touched by the authorities. Right. Problem is, nobody told the authorities.
Another problem is that many people, once they run afoul of the system in some manner, actually listen to these self-styled "Constitutional Counselors," or whatever they might pretend to be. This is particularly true of the politically incorrect, who have a well-justified distrust of anything formally associated with or a part of the legal system.
Brian and Ruth Christine fell for this swill when their children were first taken from them. For six months, they listened to various members of this pseudo-legal jungle in and around Grants Pass, Oregon. For six months, while within the system, they did all the wrong things, as a result.
The Christines were just kids, themselves. They deserved better. The worst Public Defender in town could have gotten their children back for them in six months. Due to the "guidance" they received from their "advisers," however, they were receptive to the help of a real lawyer only after they were in jail, having been arrested and charged with a litany of heavy-duty felonies, including Kidnapping and Robbery. Only after their situation had become essentially hopeless, in other words. That was when I entered their case.
They had public defenders for a brief interlude, who conned them into signing off on a termination of their parental rights to their three oldest girls. Frankly, that very likely would have happened by court edict, anyway, but was not something I could have recommended they accept without a fight and a formal trial.
I did take them through their kidnapping trial on a variety of felony charges, some lesser and some major. My standard for a win was defeating the major felonies. There really was no hope that they would walk free on everything. They got tagged only with Robbery I, a so-called "Measure 11" felony, which we have now appealed. I think we have a pretty good chance of overturning this conviction in the appellate courts. That would shorten their current sentences by years.
Until yesterday, the Christines were faced with another trial, this time in Grants Pass, in two weeks' time. Offered a deal by the district attorney handling those charges (again, a blizzard of felonies and misdemeanors), which involved pleading out to one felony each, with Brian pleading to another related to a traffic stop, they decided they would rather not endure another trial.
Pleading out was their decision alone, but I believe it was the correct one. I made no recommendation, one way or the other. The time prescribed by the sentencing judge runs concurrent with their present sentences; in other words, there is no additional penalty other than the sting of those who incorrectly say they have now admitted they did wrong to begin with.
So, I didn't make a silk purse out of the sow's ear of a case that I was handed, but I did make a pretty nifty pigskin wallet! All in all, not bad, particularly considering I've been working for free. And that made me feel pretty good about things. Until today, when one of the Grants Pass legal illiterati so responsible for Brian and Ruth losing their kids and being in prison actually had the effrontery to accuse me of selling the Christines out.
Meet Pamela Gaston, who maintains a web site and sends out a daily flurry of often-incoherent emails, all under the title, "A Voice for Children." Her husband, Will, sat directly behind me throughout the Christine trial (if you watch it on CourtTV in two weeks, he is the burly fellow with the shock of white hair and bushy beard to match).
Will Gaston repeatedly told me, both during the trial and after, that he had never seen a better job than the one I did. Now, if you believe his wife, Pamela, he really thought that I was key in constructing a legal abomination. Either he was lying then, or he is lying now...or Pamela is lying about what Will thinks. I suspect the latter, frankly, since she seems to be the real voice for incoherence behind their web site.
Until now, Brian and Ruth Christine's directive that I leave the Grants Pass courthouse crazies alone is all that has kept me from taking them on, both directly via the Internet and indirectly, via the local District Attorney. Pamela Gaston's recent assault upon my legal honor has released me from that restriction.
The Gastons filed a petition of some sort with the judge during the Christine trial. It was genuinely laughable, reflective of what unschooled children might imagine legal documents should be. At my urging, the judge decided not to embarrass them by ruling it to be the sort of pseudo-legal tripe that it was. They apparently now are filing it with other courts.
Also, during this trial, another of the crazies endeavored to challenge the judge's jurisdiction, claiming that the oath he took when initially sworn in as a judge was lacking a word or two. This "defective oath" business is a favorite of this crowd in Oregon just now, particularly Pamela Gaston. It is, in a word, irrelevant and totally without merit. The Gastons now seize upon this poppycock to claim that I was part and parcel of a conspiracy against the Christines.
Because of advice like this, given by Pamela Gaston and a few others in the Grants Pass area, the Christines are a permanently broken family and Brian and Ruth will spend several years in prison.
Because of you, Pamela Gaston....because of you.
There is no defense against stupidity, as the sign said. And, don't forget, the world is full of morons. Perhaps it is Pamela's sense of guilt that causes her now to turn on me and blame me for all that has befallen the Christines. Remember that I entered after everything had already happened, Pamela, whereas you were there from the start, whispering in their ear.
Regardless of how Brian and Ruth might feel about it, I am filing a formal request with the DAs of Jackson, Josephine and Douglas Counties, as well as the Oregon State Bar Association, that Pamela Gaston (and others, if indicated) be criminally prosecuted for the Unauthorized Practice of Law. There is such a crime and it is rarely prosecuted. If ever there was a case that cried out for it, this is it. A borderline lunatic like Gaston staggers around, mouthing enough nonsense to persuade the naive that she actually knows something, then gets them to do something really stupid, which redounds to their extreme detriment.
There are important lessons to be gleaned from this tragedy. I assume you already realize there is no justice to be gotten from the legal system, of course. Today's lesson, and it is especially for the politically incorrect, a great many of whom subscribe to this list: stay away from pseudo lawyers.
While there is some good advice out there, given by nonlawyers, it is impossible for any but practicing lawyers to separate the wheat from the chaff. And illegal, when profferred to others, whether for a fee or not. And the chaff can get you into serious trouble...just look at Brian and Ruth Christine. Best to stay away from it all. In particular, stay away from Pamela Gaston and the extensive bad advice she offers via her website and her emails. She will get you into trouble, just as she has the Christines.
Ask a lawyer, instead. It will be the best advice you ever bought.
Stay out of the system if at all possible, and at all costs. If you find yourself in the system, resolve to play by the rules toward the quickest exit possible. That requires a competent lawyer or equal measures of self-taught real law and pure luck. There is no short cut. All other approaches will end in disappointment, if not prison.
Of course, a great many lawyers are morons, too. And there may well be no defense against stupidity. Be accountable. If they can't explain it to you in words that you understand or it doesn't make sense in the tradition of "there's no such thing as a free lunch," then go elsewhere.
"I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth."
- Morpheus
Copyright © Edgar J. Steele, 2002
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The following is a letter from the psycho Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman gang attacking Edgar J. Steele.
-----Original Message-----
From: A Voice For Children Attorneys in Christine Case Selling Them Out to Protect the STATE ........
NO Bar member protects anyone from state paid abusers or systemic corruption
Letter to Edgar Steele follows........
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Kidnap suspects will plea bargain
The Associated Press
December 21
GRANTS PASS The lawyer defending Ruth and Brian Christine on criminal charges alleging they kidnapped their children at gunpoint from state social workers expects to negotiate a plea bargain that would avoid a trial.
"We’re talking an omnibus deal," Leeon Aller, Brian Christine’s attorney, said Wednesday. "I expect we’ll be able to resolve these cases."
Ruth Christine, 28, and Brian Christine, 29, face criminal charges in Douglas County stemming from the gunpoint kidnapping of their children in August.
In Josephine County, they face criminal mistreatment charges stemming from a year earlier, when state social workers took the three girls into custody because they had allegedly been starved as a disciplinary measure.
Brian Christine also faces an assault charge for allegedly hitting one of the girls for wetting the bed.
Aller said the negotiations were about what would be done with the couple’s children. Besides the three girls taken into state custody, they have two girls born afterward who are living with Brian Christine’s mother in Noblesville, Ind.
The Douglas County case is set for trial March 19, but Aller said any plea bargain could be announced at the next court appearance Jan. 7.
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Dear Edgar Steele
It was our understanding that you were representing the Christines in their upcoming trial. We have watched as you have taken risks to defend certain cases that touch on bigger issues, such as first amendment rights and systemic corruption in the court processes. You have been the ONLY bar member we have seen actually speak out about the corrupt systemic abuse.
Now we see the Christine case is going to be compromised, as we expected it would. We have worked with Brian and Ruth for a long time, since their children were removed two years ago, and in order for them to confront the aggressions of the STATE against them there has to be a counterclaim filed. When a person goes in to court and has not filed a counter claim, they have NO voice, or standing in the courtroom, and no facts come in of the abuse by the state agent against them, say for false arrest or perjured malicious prosecutions. Of course, no attorney will does this for anyone, nor have you.
Just like the trial you just defended in Idaho, the man who abused the defendant - the REAL criminal who assaulted the victim, WALKED, was not prosecuted, because there was no counterclaim filed. In your article on that case, you made the point of the ABSURDITY and CRIMINALITY of the judge "making up" his own "new charges" that were not even included in the charging instruments. Of course, we all know "THEY CANNOT DO THAT" but as we tell people every day, they DO what ever they want to.
You mentioned in your article that as an attorney, you dare not anger the judge. We have heard this referred to as "bar members must not irritate the court". This is the problem across the board why these systemic abuses are not being stopped. In every courtroom in America, every day, people are wrongly convicted on the lies of the agents of the STATE, and even if a defendant wins their case, NO ONE IS PROSECUTED.
Further, as you know in Oregon, there is NEVER a jury trial in the taking of children from their families. This case, WITH a jury, COULD have opened up the FRAUD of the Child Services, in front of the jury, as we have done with counter complaints. The problem without the jury is there is no "jury nullification" which, if you were in a constitutional court, the JURY would assess these FRAUDS being committed by the state and would NULLIFY ALL OF THESE NON CONSTITUTIONAL STATUTES for the FRAUD that they are, but the Bar, withouit exception, ALLOWS THIS STATUTORY CORRUPTION to prevail, and NEVER confronts it for the people,. instead always covering up the state crimes, and selling out the people for their own profit and profit (in the "interest"/money) of the STATE who WROTE these statutes being used to destroy the children and famliies.
We were hoping that Ruth and Brian's case would open up the COMPLETE FRAUD of the Oregon Child Services Agency and their complete control of the courts against the families, without Law, and without Evidence. Now, NONE of this will come out !
We KNEW they were going to do this and I wrote to you months ago telling you NOT to let the STATE and courts consolidate the juvenile case into the "criminal" case, and this is exactly what has happened now. It is UNBELIEVABLE that this is happening when their case could be the catalyst for EVERY FAMILY IN AMERICA THAT HAS HAD THEIR CHILDREN KIDNAPPED WITHOUT LAW, EVIDENCE,, FACTS, DUE PROCESS - NOTHING ......
But, now, the STATE, as ALWAYS, will protect itself with their whore attorneys, and the world will NEVER know, the Record will not be made of the crimes of the caseworkers and the because of the children and the rights violations against Ruth and Brian and the court will not address ANY of the corruption of the STATE.
The STATE KNOWS it is the GUILTY party in this, and that the STATE is the one who KIDNAPPED the children in the first place. More than a year passed and NO trial ever took place on the "allegations" about why they took these children. The media continue to print as fact these false and unproven allegations, "convicting" the people without a trial in the public.
This is ALL about protecting the STATE who do NOT want a trial, afraid that any of these facts against them will come out. So people will be given the impression that this "plea bargain" will "deal" with the situation in some agreeable way. We hear people say this alot, just "get me out of it" and "it will go away" and the STATE is protected to rape and plunder the next family.
This is SYSTEMIC, and the same FRAUD for profit is used in every case. Not only in children services cases, but in all the courts, THERE IS NO STANDARD OF EVIDENCE AND NO BURDEN OF PROOF AT ALL ON THE STATE. EVER.
It is up to the attorneys or the defendants to file the counterclaims for prosecution and FORCE the FACTS to be made on the Record in order to hold the abusers - the STATE agents, ACCOUNTABLE and to move for prosecution. We have paid a severe price, been in jail without crime over and over in order to make these Records over the "objections" of corrupt judges and bar member prostitutes/prosecutors.
We were told that in Oregon last year there were more than 20 million $$$ "settlements" in claims paid out to abused foster children in Oregon. The people will NEVER hear about these payoffs, nor will the people ever know the facts in these cases, and the crimes of the STATE go unprosecuted again. Bar attorneys work out a "deal" , the state "bleeds" a little money to the abused, no one on the state side loses a dime, in fact the attorneys only care about billable hours, and do not care who gets a settlement, as long as they get some of it and the state and courts remain protected - THIS IS THEIR REAL JOB. "ATTORN" means to "turn over the property to the King/STATE and that is what they do ....... it is the PEOPLE who are deceived thinking that a Bar agent will defend them.......
We BELIEVED that you would not allow the court to play these games in this case ! But, as I wrote in the letter months ago, we KNOW that in order to properly defend the families, you have to confront the LIES of the caseworkers, and the unconstitutional FRAUD of the court. When you said in the Idaho case that you could not "offend" the judge by confronting his unbelievable contempt for the Law and towards your defendant, I realized that you are not going to fight for the people against this unlawful systemic, NON constitutional system.
You KNOW the problems, as you have written about it, that the peoples rights are desecrated across the board, yet playing the "game" in the courtroom is EXACTLY how it got this way and how it is protected. EVERY TIME in a courtroom a defendants rights are violated and the court gets away with it and none of them are prosecuted. WHEN DOES THIS END???
We have told people for some time that you are the only attorney we have seen who has spoken out against the Nazi regime in place, and we thought you would have the balls to stand up to this openly and honestly, and in Brian and Ruth's case - TO GO INTO THAT COURT AND CALL THE STATE WHAT IT IS - TELL THE COURT HOW DARE THEY CALL RESCUING YOUR OWN CHILDREN KIDNAPPING - HOW DARE THEY TAKE CHILDREN ON LIES AND NOT ALLOW A TRIAL, HOW DARE THEY LIE IN COURT AND NOT BEAR THE BURDEN OF PROOF WHATSOEVER, JUST TAKE THE CHILDREN ........ ON AND ON IT GOES.....
Now, Brian and Ruth will "admit" to some part of the charges, others "charges" will be dropped (were they legitimate in the first place when they can be dropped? OF COURSE NOT !!! BUT NO ONE MAKES THE POINT IN COURT !!!! They will not likely get their children back, or maybe they will if they take all the services and compelled contracts that SLAVES do when the MASTER holds their lives in his evil hand. The agency is only about money, and they couldn't care less about abusing children as THEY DO IT EVERY DAY AND ARE PROTECTED - JUST LIKE THIS CASE NOW !!!
So, this one will go by the way, the media will continue to spin this story biased against the parents, without facts ...... notice that in the article they are bringing the "charges" from the originating removal into the "charges" of the current case ....... this is FRAUD ...... these original "charges" were what was supposed to have been heard in a "timely trial" a LONG time ago, and if there were an attorney who actually defended anybody, this FAMILY WOULD HAVE BEEN REUNITED A YEAR AGO. LIKE 99% OF THE OTHER CASES. but BECAUSE THE ATTORNEYS DO NOT DEFEND ANYONE BUT THE STATE, THE WHOLE OPERATION STAYS PROTECTED.
This plea bargain will SILENCE the Record from being made, just like the many cases where the STATE is GUILTY, pays a huge settlement, and NO FACTS are public about the crimes of the STATE. WE ARE BREAKING THIS PATTERN.
This is why my husband and I have been fighting this battle for more than four years now, and it rages at this time, here in Oregon, without attorneys. We are teaching people what Sui Juris means, how to file their own Complaints and how to use an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE to get the FACTS into the RECORD about the judicial and state abuse they are enduring. We have EXPOSED this CRIMINALITY at the highest levels, and the cover up and FRAUD.
I hope the people SEE now that even an attorney like yourself, who admits and knows that the courts are corrupted and seems to care about the rights of the people as well as your own children's future, WILL NOT DEFEND THEM.
In a sense, this is GOOD that they see it ! We are working night and day to help them understand that the attorneys work for the STATE, and are compromised to the whore judge, and you just proved it !!!! There is NO WAY the judge in Idaho could do what he did, but we see them do things every day they "CANNOT" DO - THEY ARE CRIMINALS !!!!
Hopefully now, the People will see that until "bar members" are willing to risk their "careers" for the TRUTH to come out, there is not ONE who will defend anybody in a court.
Brian and Ruth are EVERY AMERICAN FAMILY and what Brian did was what EVERY FATHER should do to protect his wife and children, and the Law is ON HIS SIDE WITH THIS. The LAW says that you can SHOOT anyone who is falsely arresting you for no crime, or is attacking your family, or is on your property without lawful warrant or reason to be there. WHO IS PROTECTING THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE COURTS????
WAKE UP AMERICA - WE HAVE TO DO THIS ON OUR OWN. THE BAR IS THE ARMY AGAINST US ........ EVERYTHING TAKEN FROM YOU HAPPENS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE ULTIMATELY WHETHER YOU ARE A PAUPER OR A PRESIDENT. YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR LAND, YOUR RIGHTS, YOUR MONEY, YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR FREEDOM AND YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURES ARE ALL STRIPPED IN A COURTROOM BY BAR MEMBER ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES AND YOUR OWN "ATTORNEY" AS WELL.
WE ARE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. MY HUSBAND AND I SHALL STAY ON THE CASE FOR OURSELVES AND THE PEOPLE IN OREGON EVEN IF IN THE END WE ARE ALONE IN NOT SELLING OUT TO THIS UNCONSCIONABLE FRAUD.
WE WILL NOT ALLOW THIS GENOCIDE OF AMERICAN FAMILIES TO CONTINUE AND WE ARE MOVING FOR PROSECUTION AND WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THESE CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSERS AND TRAITORS ARE IMPRISONED. NOW THAT RUTH AND BRIAN'S CASE HAS BEEN COMPROMISED WE ARE BACK TO BEING THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE CONFRONTING THIS SYSTEMIC ABUSE IN OREGON IN A COURTROOM..
PEOPLE - PLEASE UNDERSTAND - YOU HAVE TO DO THIS FOR YOURSELVES. EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THE SUI JURIS BOOK WE HAVE WRITTEN SO THAT YOU KNOW YOUR RIGHTS AND HOW TO GET THE BAR PARASITE OFF YOUR CASE AND GO AFTER THEM IN A COURTROOM....... Please go to www.avoiceforchildren.com and look under "our books", and you can get this book...... it is very low priced so everyone can get it, and learn who the REAL ENEMY is that is destroying you - it is our own courts and our own government, and they are getting away with it because we do not understand what a court is supposed to be and we are not holding these criminals accountable.
I will write next about some of these CRITICAL issues, working hard for your GREATER UNDERSTANDING......... this is all about TRUTH and SACRED LAW on which all TRUE LAW is based and on which the Bill of Rights is based. PLEASE LET THIS CASE SHATTER THE PARADIGM SO MANY HAVE THAT ANY BAR MEMBER WILL PROTECT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES, THEIR PROFIT, AND THE SYSTEM THAT EMPOWERS THEM TO DESTROY YOU.
pamela gaston, a voice for children, fifth amendment coalition
Of course, one crazy person alone won't do it, so we have a letter from another crazy member of the Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman "common law court" gang.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Stewart
Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Edgar Steel Wants an Apology for the Truth; Re: Compromised -
Pleading Guilty in a Court of Lies
Thanks for passing this on to me & others Pam.
Mr. Steel,
You are a part of a Terrorist & Treasonous Criminal Conspiracy. Your Bar-Association/Lawyer Strangle-Hold Monopoly on our great State's Judicial System; has Coerced/Terrorized the Christines into Abandoning their Rights under Constitutional "Due Process of Law".
Ms Gaston is Absolutely Correct that it is Totally "Off Point" for you to argue to anyone that the Christines would have lost anyway. Maybe they would have, & maybe not.
It is "Not the Point".
The "Point is" that "the Lawyer-Bar/Monopoly System" is a "Terrorist System".
And the Christines were probably were facing an up-hill battle, Only because:
YOUR BAR/MONOPOLY SYSTEM is a Human Meat-Grinder from the Pit of Hell, & it Has NOTHING to do with Constitutionally Guaranteed "JUSTICE", Nor with "Due Process of Law".
And You are "Lubricating Oil" for that Evil Military Machinery, "Sergeant At Law" Steel.
With mamby-pamby marshmallow Bar/Monopoly Lawyers like your-self being shoved upon the Christines, it is quite understandable that they become bamboozled & confused. If Ms Gaston could have been their Constitutionally Guaranteed "Assistance of Council" I'm Sure they would have stood a Very Good Chanced of Winning the Case. But NNNNNOOOOOO !!!
Convenient for Your Pay Check, & for the Federal Matching Funds that the DA gets, YOU Convinced the Christines to "Roll-Over & Play Dead".
So much for their Heroic Effort when they made their first Public Statement about the Total Evil & Injustice of the Fraudulently Labeled "Social Services System" by Courageously Taking Back from the True "Kidnappers", THEIR CHILDREN !!!
Bar/Monopoly Lawyers like you are Limited by Your Privilege/Franschize/License to Only Offer Defensive Pleadings which Do NOT Seriously Argue the Underlying Fundamental Concern of conscionable & Substantive "JUSTICE".
You would loose your bar-license.
You know it & we know it.
The Christines were just "Terrorized" by you & your bar-palls into forgetting that for the moment.
Pamela is Absolutely Correct in Publicly Condemning You & Your Bar-Monopoly/Mob Palls for the Part You have Played in this Rail-Road Job of Terrorism & Treason against the Christines & also against All of the Good People of this Constitutional "State of Oregon.
Your Mob Pals are Not Going to be able to Continue your "Pillage & Plunder" of the Good People of Oregon Fore-Ever.
You surely realize this. Yes?
Charles Bruce, Stewart
Sandy Oregon
What kind of drugs are Roger Weidner and his white supremacist buddies on?
You've gotta read the following crap just to realize that, apparently, there's all kinds of reality for Roger Weidner and his crazy buddies. What's really crazy is that there are many people in loony, homophobic, racist, Washington County, Oregon who believe the following nonsense, including my relatives' (John McClelland Hays, Neta Hays and Chris Andrea Hays) and some members of their church.
These are the same crazy people who convinced Dr. Ron Turco to diagnose me as a homosexual Satanic ritualist who hangs out in cemeteries sacrificing the neighbors' kids and pets and eating the neighbors' kids and pets.
The following is from Pamela Gaston, Roger Weidner's noble assistant.
IS AMERICA ABOUT TO BE "PULSED"?" IS COLUMBIA A WARNING OF THINGS TO COME?
IS RUSSIA AND CHINA PLANNING ON DESINTEGRATING UNITED STATES ELECTRICAL AND
COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ON FEBRUARY 7-8 - TO HEAD OFF A HIT ON IRAQ PLANNED FOR
FEBRUARY 15th????
IS A PULSE BEAM WEAPON ATTACK PLANNED IN A WEEK????
A voice for children rarely send out information from "confidential sources",
but the credibility of the authority who communicated this to us makes it
impossible not to share so that everyone is one up on these unthinkable
potential plans being discussed in 'inner circles".
WE PRAY THIS IS NOT TRUE AND THAT BOTH SIDES ARE CONFUSED IN THEIR SCHEMES.
The statement to us is that Russia and China are going to "pulse" the United
States with a Particle Beam Weapon that will shut down all technology, internet
and render the current administration incapable to attack Iraq on February
15th, the date reported to be planned for the Bush administrations show of "awe
and full force (nuclear)" to begin.
Those countries will be HEROES, thought of as saving the world from WWIII in
doing so. Our confidential advisor told us dearly to have food supplies and
gasoline, a week or so worth of water and basic necessities as the chaos would
be unimaginable if this comes to pass.
This information was relayed to us last night, and this morning the Columbia
disaster with a particle beam on the radar at the same is amazing, and makes
the question more urgent if this is a sign of something much bigger.
The following link is to the radar map at the time the shuttle was breaking up,
and clearly are seen moving laser like beams shooting across the path. We see
an explosion at Dallas/Ft Worth on the radar and at the begining the beam is
present across texas and the path of the incoming shuttle, then we see the
explosion grow and the beam stays present the whole time.
We, along with others on the web, have been following these radar anomalies
for a few years now, and NEVER an explanation given for what we are seeing. We
have seen them on the weather and they pop up and the announcer does not ever
acknowledge seeing it....
Today this radar image has been on the television all day long, full public
viewing..... Will we finally get an answer on what we are seeing with these
laser like beams that cover three states and huge weather manipulating circles
and pulses that are clearly seen every day all over the world now?
WAKE UP AMERICA - REPENT MEANS TO TURN AROUND
We cannot stand before the world and support the unconstitutional regime that
is acting as an enemy combatant to the world in the name of the corporate
state. It is RIGHT and TIME for the People to restore our lawful Authority
along with a standard of morals and truth, by demanding full disclosure and
prosecution of crimes equally without statutory immunities. God does not give
anyone immunity to commit any criminal act against his brother. Our Rights
come from God, not the Bush administration and congress. WE are THEIR BOSS.
THEY are OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS with an OATH to uphold the Law.
Take this information as you will, we are thankful to God for all things He
sets on our table and believe the Truth ultimately prevails.
We do not have anymore information than what we have presented here.
pamela gaston
I guess Roger showed some people his brilliant legal skills.
SUI JURIS PROCESS IS ORIGINAL JURISDICTION FOR THE PEOPLE
YOU, SPEAKING THE TRUTH ON THE RECORD, BRINGING FORTH REMEDY WHEN THERE IS LEGITIMATE CLAIM, AND PROSECUTION WHEN THERE IS EVIDENCE OF CRIME
THE COURT IS SIMPLY A PLACE TO MAKE A PUBLIC RECORD.
In October l997, my husband had one question everywhere we went - HOW DO I GET OUT OF JUVENILE COURT???? We knew by that time that the courts and agencies were not accountable, and that no lawful process was being enforced in bringing his child home from confessed state abusers.
We met a former prosecutor at that time named Roger Weidner who kept telling us "YOU HAVE TO CHARGE THEM WITH RACKETEERING IN THE CIRCUIT COURT". In January, l998, we filed a Racketeering Complaint into the Marion County Circuit Court, Case #98C10062.
The first important thing was to learn we HAD THE RIGHT to do things in the court that we thought we did, that made sense and were reasonable. Then the first trial after filing the Racketeering Complaint, a miracle happened and a senior judge Duane Ertsgaard allowed us a "court of credible evidence" in which he ALLOWED all the rights that Weidner said we had. So we learned them and then we excercised them then we WON..... and for us the process was blocked with retaliation ever since.
We learned from Weidner that this whole corrupt system would not change over night and that we had to keep going no matter what they did to us.... he has done that and so have we, and others as well in Oregon. It is changing everything. In 2000 the BAR came to Oregon for national Citizens Justice Conference meetings. At one of these, Rep. Max Williams, the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee right now, said this to the crowd of about two hundred BAR members assembled. We were sitting in the front row, along with Roger Weidner, when Williams said "these people in the front row with the narrow interests are changing the system - we can be part of that change or not but it is changing"..... we stood and took exception that they would refer our demands for judicial due process to be a "narrow interest".......
The process we learned from this prosecuting attorney was the process he had used for thirty years in court, the same process used by all BAR members in the courts in Oregon according to their rules of evidence (at least this WAS true until a few years ago ..... now there is no semblance anymore of any process at all - just blatant arbitrary judges and DA's doing what ever they want with extreme contempt).
The difference is that we are not BAR members, and came into the court Sui Juris, "In My Own Personal Jurisdiction", NOT "pro se" which is a represented status in their courts..... the term Sui Juris in their courts means the flesh and blood human standing there, without disability and without wavering Inherent Rights, moving or defending your own case in the court.
We learned that for the most part only attorneys and representatives went into courts, people (including us) did not know how to proceed on their own, and no people understood the language in the paperwork used by attorneys. We saw that attorneys sell out the people more than anyone, and that they prevent the people from speaking in a choreographed script with BAR judges that YOU dont know you are part of an act and they are all actors making profit from all the chaos they can create in your life.
This prosecuting attorney explains the court very simply. This from being a BAR member, now disbarred for confronting the FRAUD as he discovered it in the courtroom by fellow BAR judges and attorneys. Weidner started the confrontation in Oregon in the courts in l994 when he defended a woman whose inheritance was stolen from her by other thieving attorneys. Weidner has been arrested 20 + times now over the years, and until the last few years never got more than into the courtroom before he was attacked and arrested and shut down, time after time, with a room filled with courtwatchers, sometimes with snipers on the roof and teams of police hiding off side corridors in the court room who would swoop in and attack him to the floor on the order of insane judges..... This set the stage for our case when we met him in l997, to take this record of fraud INTO the record and discredit the systemic abuse. That is what we have done ever since. We WON our racketeering Complaint in April l998, but no prosecution has yet occurred to any criminal judges or public officers....
Weidner tells everyone who will listen - the court is simply a place to make a public record. A defendant, a plaintiff, a neutral judge. A Record being made, the facts come out. "Have you said what you need to say, and then to the other side "have you said what you need to say" and nothing held back. A vigorous search for the Truth.
He says it is really about who runs who out of the courtroom first....... the goal is to impeach the other side and whoever is lying is exposed..... then there is remedy for the victim, and prosecution for the abusers......
Based on the evidence - CREDIBLE - as in hard evidence and witnesses with eyes and ears personal knowledge of the events - NOT hearsay and denial .....
He told us "you have the absolute right to make the Record, and to make an "offer of proof" for an appeal. And you have the absolute right to appeal anything they do to you. He explained how the only thing that goes up to the higher courts or appeals is the record, and if the people have not made the oral and written record in their cases, they are NOT THERE in the record. HE TELLS PEOPLE EVERY DAY UNLESS YOU HAVE FILED SOMETHING IN WHICH YOU ARE THE MOVING PARTY YOU HAVE NOTHING TO STAND ON AND NO VOICE IN THAT RECORD.
If the record is not made by both sides, the higher courts do not see any confrontation to their fraud in there, so no one can bring forth remedy. The courts close the case without any off the abuses in the record, then that becomes "official" court records.
This is a real issue with the families who go to Senators and officials to help them. They are asked to give a waiver to the official to look at their case files. But the people do not know what is in their case files and discovery. So what happens is the Senator or someone goes and gets these records, and in there are volumes of slander and hearsay on the families - usually in our experience absolute LIES and COVER UP for state criminals, evidence of perjury and cooking the books.
The official looking at this does not know he is being deceived by "the appearance of a casefile" and is offended by what he reads, is immediately prejudiced against the people, and will not help them after that in fact sometimes works more aggressively against the parents...... ALL A FACADE AND A LIE .... this is also how all the citizens rights panels, legislators, etc are so thoroughly deceived..... all the state has to do is accuse someone and the court takes it from there that person is a criminal from then on......
Then you get into "court" and all this is upheld, blatant Alice in Wonderland courts.
So, the process is their own that we are using. It really does not matter WHAT "process" you use !!! The main thing is the RECORD and the FACTS.
They will do everything to divert you from that ..... they intimidate people and make them emotional and then you lose focus on making the record..... I hear people all the time make excuses for why they did not speak and make the record anyway - ALL IS EXCUSES...... IF THE RECORD IS NOT MADE YOU ARE NOT THERE AT ALL AND YOU ARE NOT DEFENDING YOURSELF AND YOU ARE NOT CONFRONTING ANYTHING - THEY LAUGH AT US EXCEPT ONCE WE REALLY LEARN THE CONCEPT OF INHERENT RIGHTS.
The prosecutor tells everyone to follow this procedure to make the Record of your cases. He told us in the beginning that the court and agencies are like a hermetically sealed system. That when you discredit one judge, it is ALL judges..... you discredit one caseworker or cop, it is ALL caseworkers and cops....
He says you discredit one system, you discredit all false systems..... they are all agreements about TRUST and once that TRUST is broken, the agreement is breached. Then, as now, we have to ABOLISH all that has created that breach, and bring forward again the standard of TRUTH on which TRUST is based.
This is about HUMAN RIGHTS that have been supplanted by the GREED FACTOR ..... a corporate standard instead of human rights standard.
Weidner is also a historian, and sees the patterns we are in having their inception in the ancient trade commerce and how this global corporate structure was built. He says when the Constitution was created, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, this system of Republics, Freemen and Protected Inherent Rights was the PROCESS set in place. But in truth, the money priests are the only ones who were in courts - the poor did not own anything to be in court about for the most part. As he puts it "the poor knew they were owned by the rich". The founders were those same "corporate interests", plantation owners, wealthy .... and England never let go of their "interest" to this Day, running the revenue machine. Greenspan recently said "we are at the end of a three hundred year old money system".....
The slaves have found out now the nature of the "voluntary servitude" we are "ordered" to "comply" with. The OPPORTUNITY is here for the first time EVER to REALLY EXERCISE the PROCESS as it was intended, as set forth, and as only the elitists have been exercising the original lawful courts.
So when we look to see the progress in turning this whole fraud around, see the changes that have happened in the last five years. The people fling Sui Juris lawsuits, learning what our rights are and demanding them, and making the record of the facts of their criminality and fraud IS DISCREDITING THE COUNTERFEIT REALITY OF THE MIND MADE WORLD. This has been building for centuries.....
Time now, as the indigenous people in this land say, to make a choice of destruction or purification, according to our intent collectively. Inherent Rights, the People, endowed by their Creator with this birthright, to be protected by the Bill of Rights process. NOT the amended frauds later created as the system became global and the processes of the corporate management perfected. We have watched this unfold in Oregon, and still, they are writing more unconstitutional ex post facto bills of attainder daily to criminalize more and more people and further lock the people out of the process.....
What IS a LAWFUL PROCESS has become a RENDERING PROCESS LIKE HUMAN SAUSAGE...... liquidated to the managers for sustainability to their system...... we have been betrayed, sold out, compromised but we have done it to ourselves..... now it is time to UN DO what we have let take over and drive the demons from the village.......
pamela gaston
note - you can learn all about this and more at www.avoiceforchildren.com, and the Sui Juris book lays out the whole process outlined here. The book came from every day meeting new people in the same nightmare we are living, and starting from nothing, like we were. We found ourselves saying the exact same things to everyone about what was happening, what their rights are, and how to proceed without attorneys and go after their abusers and systemic fraud. We had looked for books and only "pro se" handbooks were available that I could not use or make sense out of at all, everything I found was too confusing to really be useful. We finally put all this information we had discovered in a book, simple enough for a sixth grade reader...... we found we can't rewrite it all three times a day .... The basic information is all in there to establish a foundation for lay people and we encourage them to go on from there and learn all they can, making their own best informed decisions for themselves, not according to what someone tells them or forms someone gives them or some process they try to use but do not understand.....YOU ARE EATEN ALIVE IF YOU TRY TO DO THAT IN A COURT......
All of these different "schemes" are not relevant at all anymore...... the FACTS in the RECORD that they have to dispute is what is changing it - once on the Record and they don't answer their silence is their guilt and for all to see !!!! That is what they have tried to prevent the most all along, too late now.... the magic tricks Weidner let out of the bag about the FRAUD they all engage in, has let the light in now.
Weidner says it is like thieves in a store at night looting the store, and all of a sudden a big light comes on - they keep going through the motions of what they were doing, and then try to run, knocking everything over leaving a trail as they go....
He also has another image relevant to this discussion. He says the system right now is shattered. That it is like a big building they are blowing up, and the dynamite goes off, and for a moment, the whole structure sits there looking like nothing has happened, when in fact it is shattered through completely, only a facade of strength is there. Then of course it implodes with great chaos and fallout..... THAT is where the system is right now, shattered, falling, and the robots know the fallout is at the door.....
THE SIMPLE TRUTH AS GOOD PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE LAW TO BE. YOU KNOW, EVEN CHILDREN KNOW, WHEN YOUR INHERENT RIGHTS ARE UNJUSTLY VIOLATED...
TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH AND FULL DISCLOSURE..... DO NOT COMPROMISE YOUR SOUL TO THE FEAR .....
I guess some of Roger's mindless minions had a fight
In response to a PRESS RELEASE former Chairperson, Pamela Gaston sent
out announcing her resignation as OJW's Chair, and falsely accusing
OJW's other 2 officers, Roger Weidner and Helen Solem, of secretly
carrying out schemes without her knowledge, treacherously undermining
OJW goals, Roger Weidner has written her the following letter.
To Pamela Gaston,
I read with disbelief, in your January 14, 2001 press release, your
absolutely false and vicious personal attacks on me and others over the
manner in which the January 13, 2001 monthly meeting of OJW was
conducted. Contrary to what you said in your press release I had no
discussion with anyone other than you prior to the meeting, as to how we
might best reconcile the split between you and Jesse Lott over the
Mannix matter. Jesse told me before the meeting that he was not going
to have anything more to do with you because of the e-mail attacks you
were making on Mannix. I told you the night before the meeting that I
was going to propose at the meeting that you and Jesse have a public
discussion airing your different positions on Mannix. I had no
discussions, prior to the meeting, with either Helen Solem, or Leroy
Arnett or Jesse or anyone else how the meeting was to be conducted
because I had no intention or thought of conducting the meeting.
In fact, I had no idea that I would lead the meeting until approximately
1:30 pm, a half hour after the meeting was scheduled to convene, when it
became apparent to all, that you and Will were for some reason or other
not able to attend. I, then as Vice-Chair, at the urging of those
present, called the meeting to order. We said the pledge of allegiance
to the flag and Helen gave the Treasurer's report. Helen had prepared
an agenda for the meeting and I was simply following that agenda when
you and Will arrived at approximately 1:45 pm.
In the past I have served as a President of a fraternity, have been an
active member of a Fireman's Union, have served as a board member of
small corporations and have also served as Commodore of the Portland
Rowing Club. Every meeting that I have ever conducted has been to the
best of my ability according to Robert's Rules of Order. The reason I
follow those rules is to insure that everyone has an opportunity to
speak, IN ORDER, about any issue they wish to address.
Since the meeting had been called to order by me, at the request of
those present, I was in charge until I relinquished control. And I
could not relinquish control while there was a motion pending on the
floor. That's why I told you that YOUR WERE OUT OF ORDER, and you were,
to demand that I immediately turn control of the meeting over to you
while the motion was still pending. As soon as the pending motion was
concluded I was intending on making a motion that the meeting be turned
over to you. You stunned all present, including me, when you became
instantly indignant, then enraged, because I would not immediately turn
the meeting over to you, stating you were resigning and wanted your name
removed from the membership rolls, then stormed out of the meeting with
Will. All this happened in less than 2 or 3 minutes after you arrived.
I related to the stunned members present that I considered you a friend
and admired you as a fearless corruption fighter. I stated on your
behalf, to the group, your strong objection to Kevin Mannix. Jesse
stood and stated to the group the reason he was supporting Mannix. He
said he had asked you and Will many times to give him the name of
someone you could support for U.S. Attorney and neither of you supplied
him with a name. Jesse said he wasn't in love with any politician but
was in position to insure that if Mannix were named U.S. Attorney both
your case and the Kettleberg case would be investigated.
The nomination of Norman Stewart was a surprise to me. I told you
before the meeting that I was intending on supporting you for President
if you were a candidate. However, as it turned out neither you or I
were nominated. The group obviously wanted new leadership and although
Steward was not present I was impressed by his resume and the
endorsement that he received from Mark Luedtke, a very influential
member of the community. However, even though I told you days before
the meeting, in your living room, that I was intending on supporting
you, my support for you certainly wasn't absolute. All thoughts of
support for you vanished instantly when you verbally attacked me in
front of the group for rightfully performing my duty as chair of the
meeting.
At the conclusion of the meeting there was 100 percent support from the
group for having Stewart and Lucero along with Solem as OJW's leaders as
we enter the new century. Their new leadership will certainly attract a
lot more people to the organization which will increase the size and
clout of OJW.
I told you and Will when you both first came to me four years ago,
desperate for help in recovering Will's daughter, that I could help you
only if you were filling to fight. You have certainly demonstrated, in
spades, that you are a fighter. Accordingly, without ever receiving a
nickel from either you or Will I have spent an enormous amount of time
in underwriting your fight, TO RECOVER MELISSA, by personally involving
myself in your case. I have also strongly encouraged a large group of
others, including, Lott, Sutton, Arnet, Harper, Ellis, The OREGON
OBSERVER, Solem, and many others to join in your fight. Not only have
you and Will received thousands of hours of support from that group but
those same people have also donated thousands of dollars to your cause.
I tell people that ask that Pamela Gaston has the fighting instincts of
a barbarian. She charges like a drunken and blindfolded samurai
warrior, in a rage cutting down anyone, including friends who, though
sharing the same goals (clean government) see, through their
experiences, a better and more expedient way of bringing about that
goal. While you deserve A+'s as a fighter, you get D-'s and F's when it
comes to setting goals "collectively," and carrying out those goals in a
coordinated way, by relying on, and respecting, the ideas of other
people more knowledgeable and experienced than yourself (essential
attributes of any successful leader).
And, of course, you get F- when it comes to gratitude. After the years
I have spent in supporting you in court, in schooling you in successful
courtroom tactics, and donating several thousand dollars to your cause,
it was shocking to me how you could possibly refer to me, maliciously
and falsely, in your January 14th press release as "contemptuous,
treacherous, tyranical, devious and untrustworthy. One of a few
individuals intent on undermining the goals of OJW." Such a public
declaration by you on the worldwide internet not only demonstrates the
height of ingratitude but also constitutes actionable libel.
Accordingly unless you publicly retract your slanderous accusations
against me on the worldwide internet, with a copy of this letter
attached, I will be forced to name you in a libel action seeking as
damages compensation for all the time that I and others have volunteered
in helping you and Will fight your battle. Of course the most important
part of the suit will be to clear my good name (my most important
asset), on the worldwide internet where you maligned it, from every
false, slanderous and malicious accusation you made against me in your
January 14th press release.
If I have not heard from you by January 25, 2001 I will accordingly
prepare and file the libel suit against you. I will also mail a copy of
this letter to THE OREGON OBSERVER if I have not heard from you by
January 25, 2001.
It will be interesting to see how well you will be able to defend, on
the witness stand in court, the truthfulness of the false charges you
have seen fit to publicly make against me.
s/ Roger Weidner
c: Helen Solem
Jesse Lott
Leroy Arnett
20 January 2001
OREGON JUDICIAL WATCH concurs with Roger Weidner's statements above.
s/ Carlos Lucero, Vice Chairperson & Helen Solem, Sec'y-Treas.
I can't quite figure out what the following is about, but I know it's deep.
AMERICA -- Let There Be Light!!
Posted by Raymond Karczewski (63.164.175.18) on 21:58:50 04/06/03
AMERICA -- Let There Be Light!!
Patricia B. wrote:
Raymond Karczewski (arkent@arkenterprises.com) wrote:
Patricia (may I call you "Pat"?),
Thank you for your email. You are quite correct in your findings. That is the ESSENCE of my case -- JURISDICTION.
Not only am I a "stranger in a strange land" (a simple man of truth, a Christ, living in a land ruled by hypocrisy and deception), I am a sovereign (a son of GOD) living in a land of subjects (Intellectually-driven, slave-minded Satanicly ruled minions). Of course, through years of mind control, the masses of Satanically mind controlled minions are not even aware of it. They term their spiritual and psychological enslavement as NORMAL while they remain in their dithered state of UNAWARENESS.
You see, Pat, I recaptured my sovereignty by legally changing my Status from debtor to creditor when I realized the massive fraud which was perpetrated upon the American People via the "seemingly innocuous (but freedom destroying) procedure of "BIRTH CERTIFICATION."
Yes, Pat, our innocent and well-psychologically conditioned mothers turned their children over to the STATE (as obedient minions are apt to do) when they "REGISTERED" the birth of their offspring at the hospital. Read up on the legal ramifications of REGISTRATION.
It is then that souls are sold into slavery, and the newly born human being becomes property of the state and is regarded as a ward of the State. They are magickly transformed (as only legal deceivers, i.e, lawyers can do) into a human resource and/or chattel (personal property of the State) whose future labor may exploited, traded and pledge in the Commercial arena as a Security Instrument. How else do you think they get minions to take on the bogus NATIONAL DEBT and WAGE WAR against other nations, and pay for it with debt instruments (Federal Reserve Notes, funny money, worthless paper)?
Yes, Pat, you are correct when you state that Americans are currently living under the thrall of Administrative Law, Maritime Law, the law of contracts. Laws administered by judges and lawyers who owe their primary allegiance to the "Crown" of England ("B.A.R." Association = BRITISH ACCREDITED REGISTRY) and not the U.S. Constitution. Go ahead, next time you find yourself standing before the court, bring up the issue of primary allegiance as per their "Oath of Office." Try to get a straight answer out of them. Lotsa luck!! Americans are surrounded by organized traitorous Servants who dream they are Masters. It is time, is it not, to get rid of lawyers via the conflict of interest they have in swearing an oath to support the Constitution while holding public office all the while owing primary allegiance to a foreign power?
Wisdom dictates that one should not resist evil.
The ESSENCE of Supreme Intelligence offers instead, the nonresistance of BOYCOTT.
Have you not heard that LOVE conquers ALL?
Modern day Americans have sold their heritage for a "mess of pottage", for the indolent comfort of codependent security, welfare, etc. They have ignorantly *contracted* away their Unalienable Rights through the simple act of waiver.
Pat, I have not waived any of my rights in this issue. I stand adamantly, as a Sovereign common man unyielding in his challenge to the Maritime/Administrative Court to prove its limited JURISDICTION over one who has not entered into a contract with the Agents of the corporation known as GOVERNMENT. They are unable to prove such JURISDICTION.
That, Pat, is the crux of the issue in my voluminous writing on this JURISDICTION matter wherein they have refused to answer questions presented them in court registered documents demanding they prove in writing their claim against a sovereign (as present case law compels), and/or show proof of liability to the Corporate Statutes which ruled the lives of unenlightened minions, i.e., the average voter.
As to your comment on how my website is being used, I must admit the recent turn of events have caused a departure from the original momentum of my site. Pat, my offerings are directed toward the spiritual, not the political needs of my Brothers and Sisters. It is toward the Holistic and not the energized fragmented energies of the spiritually blind who have made a mess of their lives and of their/our world, refusing to acknowledge even a scintilla of personal contribution for the world they have created for themselves.. How else do you think hypocrite servants are allowed to rule on and off the bench as though they were Master.
Pat, I have only one word which fits the Satanic Ruled world of man -- BASSACKWARDS!!
LIVE IT OR DON'T -- That is the only message I bring to others in my writings.
See for yourself, the HELL THAT IT HAS RAISED!
See: http://www.arkenterprises.com and http://www.arkenterprises.com/dialchst.htm
Raymond Karczewski
At 02:31 PM 4/6/03 -0700, you wrote:
Dear Raymond:
I have been following your emails very carefully since your release from incarceration. I am also awaiting whatever those administrative "judges" plan next.
In my researching rulings from the Supreme Court in the early days and up to now, I ran across some very interesting words from the SC judges. So I began to review the US Codes Annotated, and some of the email from Pamela Gaston. The word has moved from email to email that we have administrative "law". There are treatise by folks which give citations. So, I go after these citations.
Yes, we are under administrative law. Corporate administrative law. Private, rules that is. I read up on this about six years ago and just could not believe it. It is difficult to find that which has no direction, but people just talk and do nothing. These citations of "law" are complicated by overlay of other rules, regulations, and bureaucratic clerks (like the DMV). The constitution gives no authority for congress to delegate its authority, except where explicitly stated. Congress gives not a hoot and continues to delegate its authority by "house resolutions" and by making a treaty with some obscure little dinky country that gives congress (they believe) the authority to run over every state in the union's sovereignty. They forget Marburough v Maddison which was clearly stated any law repugnant to the Constitution is invalid. I keep hearing from even our young folks, gee those were old laws. As long as congress has these old goats who continually raise their salaries and perks yearly, give our "social security funds" to 17 countries and now Mexico, tax us beyond reasonableness, give our businesses to other countries by moving entire plants and machinery to our not so pleasant "partners" and charge it to the taxpayer, we are doomed.
The reasoning congress lives with and enjoys? is their absolute understanding of ADMINISTRATIVE RULES, REGULATIONS and the implementation thereof. The IRS, CIA, FBI and all the alphabets are ADMINISTRATIVE. It is only when there is a constitutional subject, can the Supreme Court act. And, it's administrative, too. We are back to the days of olde merry England.
We have no constitutional courts. Except maybe the possible finding of the one hidden in the Court of International Trade? Hawaii on entrance to the union asked for and got an Article III court. But congress did not appoint any constitutional judges. They are ADMINISTRATIVE. Dumb Hawaii people? Congress knows exactly what they are doing. From stem to stern.
I am also working on the "tribunals" in the Constitution. Has congress misappropriated that term? Looks like it. Those are our present courts today. Oregon has the tribunals. I got involved in it, too. Forget the statutes on the books. It's whatever the administrative judge declares, especially to his friends.
We have a better chance at our own legislature than congress. Even though Oregon has continued to remain within the democrat conclave, it is because there is no difference between democrat and republican. Democrats hi-jacked republican party by moving over and calling themselves republicans to get elected. Those people are called RHINO's (republican in name only). But their political philosophy can NEVER change. Remember Reagan moved over and got elected. But there was still underlying philosophical differences which showed up in the State Department. We have the same thing with Bush.
We do have Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, moving to recapture their sovereign authority. Maybe New Mexico, too, but their work is made more difficult so close to Mexico with the overwhelming immigrants.
I would hope that your web site would be used also for acting on specific subjects for Oregonians to write their legislators. Rallying the troops to notify their legislators on what "laws" would deprive us of our constitutional rights; US and state. People need to be motivated to DO for themselves and others. Too few of us carry the burden of the many. People ask me "what can I do". Write a letter. What do I say? It just has to be placed in front of them until they have learned the art of motivation. I go to many meetings. There are always letters pre-typed to mix and match with addresses of the intended recipient.
And, a reminder. One is always guilty under ADMINISTRATIVE "law".
Best wishes and God bless,
Patricia
Cave Junctiion, Oregon 97523
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Let man not Fall for a New World Order.
Let mankind Rise to a New World Consciousness!
Raymond Karczewski http://www.arkenterprises.com
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Despite the beliefs of my relatives, and some other members of the loony, homophobic, racist Roger Weidner/Victor Oekerman gang here in loony Washington County, Oregon that Roger and the gang are brilliant legal scholars, there are people in Oregon and elsewhere who believe that Roger and his gang giving legal advice is bad for the people receiving legal advice, Oregonians, and American citizens elsewhere.
One of the people who believes that Roger and his gang shouldn't be allowed to give out extremely stupid legal advice is Edgar J. Steele. The following post explains his personal views from having personal contact with the loonies.