According to J. Gordon Melton, a nationally recognized chronicler of religions in America, ''[Christian] Identity is a religion by sociopaths, for sociopaths. It turns their sickness into virtue.''

Identity followers believe that white Anglo-Saxons - not Jews - are the real Biblical ''Chosen People;'' that Jews are descendants of a sexual union between Eve and Satan; that the white race is superior to others, and that Blacks and other nonwhite races are ''mud people'' on the same level as animals, and therefore have no souls.

The Identity Church movement promotes the view that Christianity, when properly understood, supports anti-Semitic and racist beliefs and extremist violence. In actuality, of course, the Identity version of Christianity completely distorts traditional Christian teachings...

The core beliefs of Christian Identity are so far astray from those of mainsteam Christianity - and so repellent to average Americans - that they induce in the religion's followers a cult-like closed mindset: a sense of persecution coupled with self-righteousness that is supported by the group's social peers. True believerfs - often drawn from the ranks of the disenfranchised - will not be dissuaded by any amount of logic and reason.

They live in a kind of alternative universe, complex and wholly unlike anything in mainstream life. It is populated by soulless non-humans, satanic conspirators and a handful of true Christians who abide by ''God's law.'' By closing off the other world, they reinforce each other's beliefs in the confines of their tight social circle.

Date: 12/9/2003 04:17:57 -0800
From: "Peter/CLGUS" peter@commonlawgov.us
Reply-to: "Peter/CLGUS" peter@commonlawgov.us
To: editor CC: "jeff weakley" CryAloud2Israel@webtv.net,


"charles" charles@christiancommonlaw-gov.org
Subject: treason
john michael hays,


are you in a conspiracy to commit treason?

i have come to know of the work of leroy schweitzer, charles stewart, & jeffrey weakley. i believe these men to be honorable patriots saving america.

i see that you have criticized them, but that you seem not to have any sworn affidavits in support of your accusations.

it seems that your making slanderous accusations against these good american patriots in order to destroy their efforts at saving america from hostile take-over from the babylonian-whore jurisdiction as described in revelation 17.

again, are you in a conspiracy to commit treason?

please answer in a timlely manner; or your silence may be presumed as an admission by you that by your cowardly silence you are admitting that the answer to the above question is "yes"; & that a conscience-bound & constitutionally-lawful jury has full lawful right & duty to try you for your evil crime of treasonous conspiracy and to sentence you to absolotely what-ever punnishment they unanimously deem to be constitutionally justified.

sincerely,

peter

TO SKANNER NEWSPAPER (Portland Newspaper focused on the African American community in Oregon)

HERE IS A NEWSPAPER WHO IS VIOLATING THE PUBLIC TRUST BY PROTECTING STATE AGENTS WHO ARE ABUSING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES - WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY PRINTED A FAMILYS STORY WHO HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY THE FAMILY POLICE? NONE OF THAT IS REPORTED SO THAT THE FRAUD CAN BE MAINTAINED FOR THE $$$$$.

I AM GLAD THAT THE PUBLIC CAN NOW SEE THE STAND THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN THAT YOU THINK IT IS OK TO PUT ACTIVE LESBIANS AND HOMOSEXUALS WITH VULNERABLE LOW INCOME CHILDREN, AND ASSESS LOW INCOME FAMILIES - DESTROY THEM ON THE OPIONIONS OF THE PERVERT BIG BROTHERS AND SISTERS - WHO ARE NOTHING MORE THAN CASEWORIKERS GETTING INTO THE HOMES AND SHAMING THE POOR PARENTS ABOUT HOW THEY CAN'T PROVIDE ALL THESE PERKS FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND THEY ARE JUST LOSERS ANYWAY -

THE LIES OF THE MANDATORY REPORTERS TAKE CHILDREN AND DESTROY FAMILIES EVERY DAY, WITH NO RECOURSE FOR THE LOW INCOME PEOPLE , WHOSE ONLY CHANCE THEN IS TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE - BACK TO YOUR MONEY MAKING MACHINE ON HUMAN FLESH YOU ARE PROMOTING.

THIS IS THE ATITUDE OF THE WHOLE SYSTEMIC FRAUD THAT THE STATE IS THE PARENT OF THE CHILD - GO FOR IT - YOU ARE RESPONSBILE FOR THEIR DESTRUCTION TO PROMOTE THESE PROGRAMS.

LAWSUITS? WE ARE FILING THE LAWSUITS TO SHUT DOWN THIS ABUSE AS WELL AS THE ABUSE ASSESSMENT CENTERS. WE HAVE ALREADY PROVEN IN COURT UNDISPUTED THAT THE STATE AGENCIES ARE ABUSING THE CHILDREN AND THESE CRIMES ARE COVERED UP. NO CRIME IS NECESSARY TO TAKE THE CHILDREN. WE ARE TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND FILE LAWSUITS WITHOUT ATTONORNEYS WHO WORK IT FOR THE MONEY, AND AGAINST ANY WHO PROMOTE IT - LIKE YOURSEVES.

I am sending this to the list - I want them to see that your paper is not protecting your low income readership by promoting these child abuse programs. We have seen your paper do articles promoting Kay Toran, and Volunteers of America, when she is a KNOWN pedophile, international black market child procurer and child abuser - this already UNDISPUTED COURT RECORDS - THAT MEANS LEGAL FACT, IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.

Libel???? go for it!!! We have subpoenaed these abusers for four years and they fail to appear,. default, do not answer and judges quash their subpoeneas so the facts of their henious abuse do not come out on the Record. These people wont come into court at all !!! We have subpoenaed them and they know if they ever come into court it all comes out about the abuse that is being routinely COVERED UP.

You do a great disserviced and people are losing their children because of your attitude and failure to investigate the information we send out. We do not make any statment that we cannot back up. These programs are dangeous to Oregon and you are being greatly deceived by a HUGE money interest who wants to attach to every low income child in the state of Oregon.

I guess you promote the Oregon Children Plan too, to assess every newborn? These are the socialist programs being entrenched by people likie Avrel Gordly and Margarter Carter, and other exploiting legislators.

THEY ARE SELLING ALL THE BLACK CHILDREN TOO !!!! TAKE THIS FOR A TITLE - THE SOSCF HAS A PROGRAM CALLED 'OVER REPRESENTATIN OF MINORITIES IN FOSTER HOMES" WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS? IT MEANS THEY ARE NOT GETTING AS MUCH MONEY FOR THEM CAUCASIONS AND SO THEY CAME UP WITH OTHER WAYS TO INTERVENE AND GET THEM IN THE HEAD START AND GET INTO THEIR HOMES. THIS IS A BEAST WITH TENACLES AND ALL THESE PROGRAMS ARE MANDATORY REPORTERS - SO T HESE POEPLE HAVE PAID, GAY SPIES ASSESSING THEIR ON THEIR FAMILES AND BEFRIENDING THE CHILDREN -- THAT IS OK WITH YOU ????? HELL WHO NEEDS SEX ABUSE LAWS WHEN YOU ACTIVELY PAY PEDOPHLIES TO 'BEFRIEIND" THE CHILD - EVERY PROGRAM YOU GO TO FOR SELF DEFENSE SAYS THAT IS THE FIRST TIP OFF YOU WARN YOUR CHILDREN AGAINST !!!!!!

We have testified in the Senate in these matters and told Carter right there how she is selling out the African American people NOT teaching anyone about their rights but instead expopliting them all for money for the state/fed programs.

IT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE DECEPTION AND FRAUD BEINGPERPETUATED ON THE PEOPLE AND YOU ARE PRMOMOTING IT.

ALL WE CAN EVER DO IS SHOW THE PEOPLE WHAT WE SEE AND YOU HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF AND YOUR PAPER AS A MOUTHPIECE FOR THE STATE.

THIS IS A DAY OF CHOICE. GOD KNOWS THE CHOICE YOU MADE PERSONALLY AND NOW PUBLICLY. YOU WILL LIVE AND DECAY ACCORDING TO YOUR CHOICES.

pamela gaston
a voice for children

From: "A Voice For Children" avoice@mtangel.net

To: "Michael Walden" michaelwalden@news.oregonian.com

Subject: Oregonian Reporter does not want to know about crimes happening in Oregon...... refuse to investigate evidence Re: JEZEBEL KAY TORAN - CRIMINAL EXPLOITS CHILDREN AT VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA - COMPELLED CONTRACTS, ABUS Date: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:16 PM

Oregonian Reporter MICHAEL WALDEN does not want to know about the extreme abuse of children and families in Oregon - refuse to investigate public records of criminal activity - refuse to protect anyone - promote instead the building of more child jails and abuse centers, compelled contracts and known pedophile abuse of children.

it is inconceivable to us that you will not investigate the facts reported below, when this is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

WE CANT FORCE THEM TO ANSWER - YOUR PAPER COULD... BUT YOU WONT !!!!!

THESE ARE EXTREME CHARGES WE HAVE MADE AND HAVE SUPPORTED AND HAVE A JURY VERDICT ARE TRUE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT EVER RESPONDED, NOR HELD ACCOUNTABLE. WE COULD NOT SAY THESE THINGS AND NOT BE ARRESTED IF THEY WERE NOT ABSOLUTELY THE TRUTH. YET NOT EVEN AN INVESTIGATION IN YEARS OF THIS ESCALATING IN OREGON.....

The people cannot get redress BECAUSE people like yourself and your newspaper will not hold this agency accountable, or investigate the agency at all. You print the crap the state writes itself and gives you to print, evidently no one at your paper knows how obvious this is. You slander and convict people without facts and before trials every day in your paper, yet you lie when you print the advertisements for the state to continue these abusive programs.

You are accountable for intentionally misleading the people by NOT printing, for example, that no crime is charged in 98% of the cases when a child is removed. Now you think that is tolerable for yourself if you were accused? No crime charged, the state just takes your child, your home, your money, your estate, your life and freedom? You think I am just saying these things? Most of it I am living myself.

The Oregonian won a publitzer prize for exposing the INS a year ago. They care enough to investigate and really open up the fraud and not print the lies and facaded that the state handed them to spin the story. WHY DOES THIS NOT HAPPEN WITH THE CHILD SERVICES?????

WHY DO YOU PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE KAY TORAN AND GIVE HER A VOICE WHILE NO REPORT OF THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE LOSING THEIR CHILDREN EVERY DAY, AND FAMILIES BEING DESTROYED.

BUT, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT.

pamela gaston

Here is another letter about this viper of a criminal let loose and being protected by the Oregonian newspaper. This is an advocate who has watched more than ten years of this and no prosecution or investigation, only conspiracy and cover up in the courts. The lawsuits HAVE BEEN filed, and undisputed without exception against Toran and associates.

-----Original Message-----
From: ufo muse alienlunch@webtv.net
To: A Voice For Children avoice@mtangel.net>

Date: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: Not long ago Kay Toran was calling for universal invasive sex exams

OF children under the age of 3! That woman does not even pass as a valid mother substitute with that sort of thinking! Kay Lost her job because children under her watch were severely abused. she got a promotion firing from kitzhaber instead of jail sentance she was even more worthy of than the Chistenes had the "law" been applied equaly and kay been held appropirately responsible. Its pure abomination to hear the Oregonian lauding this slimey creatrue again...but then again the Oregonian and its pedophile-club promoting editors still cant see that the various characters in the winachee witch hunt trials belong in jail for what they did to two little targeted innocents.

Now that it has come out that Perez in winachee was essentially performing his own invasive sex exams on those children, as I saw there never was any presentation of evidence to the jurys invovled, its as much of an abomination of what Kay Toran did and probably continues to do. Too bad for Oregon's children.

http://community.webtv.net/alienlunch/ALIENLUNCH

TIME TO PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN AGAIN - IN A BARBARIC SOCIETY THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN SAFE, AND WE ARE SLIPPING INTO CHAOS.....

The credible evidence in our court cases in Oregon is that the STATE is operating this black market child selling/child pornography operation, and it is international. After Child Services head Kay Toran went to romania and taught them how to profit from their vulnerable children and orphans, the children being seized and adopted to usa nd europe were not arriving here. This is so bad that just recently the UN stopped all international adoptions because so many of these children were missing.....

thousands in every state and NO real statistics.....

the us Supreme Court is part of the problem , but our rights and accountability are at state government level, which brings us to pedophile chlid abuser protector JOHN KITZHABER and the Oregon Supreme Court. This evidence has been before them for five years and growing in our cases, and to this day only the pornographer has been protected, while we have been attacked and with ALL THIS KNOWN, Melissa has dissppeared into their market.....

We proved in l998 that the pronographer HAZEL SPEES, and the caseworker LARRY LAWSON and TIM IRMEN were grooming Melissa for the pornogrphay trade. The woman who had her seized was later arrested for black market child selling. The courts have done nothing but spend milions $$ literally, more than thirty cases against us on anything they can make up, and all this right out in the open. As these facts have come to light has this Governor investigated? NO has he interevened" NO - he has only protected the criminals, of which he is one.

The state Supreme Courts are the constitutional courts, and where these issues are supposed to be dealt with. Because it is so FETID all the way thorugh, you have these offices filled with pedophiles themselves, the whole gay agenda we deal with every day, and the HUGE money making machinee they have going....

The snuff movies and every kind of perversion on the internet are why WE have not lost our communications network - the people of the world are learning about their abuse through this same network, which the powers that be would LOVE to shut down - BUT THEY CAN'T GET THEIR PORNOGRAPHY AND SATIATE THEIR LUSTS UNLESS THEY HAVE THE INTERNET TOO - and so far they have not figured out how to do this.

I have read that most of the people on the internet are looking at pornography, in chat rooms or buying and selling...... that leaves a small and important segment of the population that are connecting the TRUTH on these websites for the benefit of ALL who will come and learn.

GOD SEES EVERYTHING AND WE TRUST THAT THE DAY IS SOON THAT THE INTENT OF THE HEART WILL DECIDE THE FATE OF THE SOUL .....

So many people think the world is somehow the same as when they were growing up but there is NOTHING that is the same anymore. These pictures decribed in this article that our children can find anywhere on the net, are unlike anything that was in circulation or accessible to children twenty years ago.

God help us all that the children today are being fed this diet of sex and violence, mixed human primal emotions, then influenced with the perversions of homosexuality when they are too young to understand their sexualtiy...

IT REALLY IS TIME TO START PROTECTING YOUR CHILDREN PEOPLE = THERE WAS A REASON WHY MOMS STAYED HOME AND DADS WORKED AND FELT GOOD ABOUT PROVIDING FOR THE FAMILY ...

But then again, we all know that the design of the global controllers is to destroy the Family Body and the rest falls into their control

we are there already.

THE ONLY ANSWER IS FOR MORE PEOPLE TO STAND AGAISNT THIS AGENDA WITH THE TRUTH. IN THE COURT, AND IN THE WORLD, THE ONLY POWER IS THE TRUTH AND THE SWORD FOR THOSE WHO SPEAK IT.

We hear stories of abuse like this constantly. In Oregon, KEVIN MANNIX governor candidate is financed by LOREN PARKS who is one of the biggest perverts in the country - he designed pedophile machines that are used by gays and the state alike to abuse chidlren and adults. And you see "church" groups like Christian Coalition SUPPORTING THIS FILTH.

Lastly, the people should know that these so called "assessment centers" that make pornography of the children, often with male and female foster people and caseworkers and "therapists" in there, SHOW PORNOGRAPHY TO THE MEN WHO ARE WIRED UP ON THE LOREN PARKS PENIS MACHINES AS THEY ARE QUESTIONED - WHERE DO THEY GET THIS PORNOGRAPHY????? IN THREE TRIALS NO ONE CAN SAY IN THE MARION COUNTY COURTHOUSE WHERE THE PORNOGRAPHIC VIDEO OF MELISSA IS - IT IS NOT WHERE IT WAS CONCEALED CRIMINALLY BY JUDGE JOSEPH OCHOA TO PROTECT THE PORNOGRAPHY.

THIS WHOLE THING WAS SENT TO THE JUSTICE DEPT BY A POLICE CHIEF, AND ALL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DID WAS RETALIATE MORE AND MORE, AND STILL.......THEY ARE THE PEDOPHILES !!!!

WAKE UP AMERICA - IT MAY BE TOO LATE ....

WE HAVE KNOWN FOR SOME TIME THAT WE WERE IN A WAR BUT YOU DID NOT SEE THE TANKS ON THE STREETS - WELL THAT IS HERE NOW......

Like Roger Weidner tells people "your children will spit on your grave for what you did not do when you could have to stop this....."

pamela gaston
a voice for children

From: "A Voice for Children"
Date: Fri Jul 2, 2004 10:56 am
Subject: CORRUPT GOVERNOR REP TOM CHAMBERLAIN state rep does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts.....

your address is listed in the same governor listing as theirs - you ARE ALL ACCOUNTABLE.... WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE IN EXTREME ARROGANCE THAT YOU DONT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE? ARE YOU SO CORROSIVE AND TOXIC THAT YOU CANT IMAGINE IF YOU WERE THE ONE BEING DESTROYED BY THE POLICIES YOU ARE CREATING FOR THE CORPORATE STATE??????

YOU ARE ACTING IN THE NAME OF THE STATE WITH YOUR JOB AND YOUR CHECK AND YOUR NAME IS PUBLIC FOR THE PEOPLE TO CONTACT. YOU WILL GO ON THIS LIST WITH THE OTHERS AND WE DO NOT REMOVE STATE ADDRESSES. PERIOD.

YOU HAVE A DELETE BUTTON IF YOU ARE SO COLD THAT YOU DONT ACT ON ANY OF THE INFORMATION YOU SEE POSTED GOING ON UNDER YOUR ADMINISTRATION.

YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE AND THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT WITH THIS......

pamela gaston

From: CHAMBERLAIN Tom * Governor's Office
To: 'A Voice for Children'
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: CORRUPT GOVERNOR REP SUZY MILLER THREATENS TO STOP THE PEOPLE FROM EXCERCISING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS .......Re: unaccountable corrupt governor office state rep does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts.....

I am not a state rep., please take me off your listing.

-----Original Message-----
From: A Voice for Children [mailto:avoice@mtangel.net]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:40 AM
To: MILLER Suzy * Governor's Office; A Voice for Children
Cc: Oregon_Family_Rights@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CORRUPT GOVERNOR REP SUZY MILLER THREATENS TO STOP THE PEOPLE FROM EXCERCISING OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS .......Re: unaccountable corrupt governor office state rep does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts.....

Suzy.Miller@state.or.us

Jodi.L.Sherwood@state.or.us
Evelyn.Bloemhard@state.or.us


These three unaccountable state reps do not want to hear about your abuse or the henious crimes being committed by themselves and their associates. TIME FOR CONSEQUENCES FOR UNACCOUNTABLE REPRESENTATIVES. THEY DO NOT WORK FOR US. THEY WORK FOR THE CORPORATE STATE. A JURY ESTABLISHED THIS RACKETEERING NETWORK IN L998 THAT KILONGOSKI IS INVOLVED IN ALONG WITH MOST OF HIS CABINET MEMBERS, LONG TIME CRIMINALS OPERATING IN OREGON, GOLDSCHMIDT THE HEAD, NOW SEVERED ON THE GROUND - THEIR PEDOPHILE LEADER...

GOOD THAT YOU THREATEN US AND THE PEOPLE WE ARE HELPING - GOOD THAT YOU SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS...

GOOD THAT YOU SHOW THE TYPICAL PUBLIC SERVANT THREATS WHEN ANYONE TRIES TO EXCERCISE THEIR RIGHTS - SO TYPICAL VIPER BEHAVIOR AND ATTORNEY ARROGANCE

We will go to court ASAP on this ! WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY AND WILL UPDATE THE RECORD OF THE CRIMES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IN THE COURT, THAT THEY ARE BLOCKING RIGHT NOW, IT IS SO EXCULPATORY.

We have dealt with the Governor's office before when they tried to supress the rights of the people to excercise our constitutional rights. They threatend to shut down communications companies in their arrogance over this. The Governor realized he had no standing whatsoever to deny the Oregon Constitution, they got it straight and did not attempt to commit such aggreived acts so blatantly, and continue to GIVE THESE ADDRESSES TO THE PEOPLE TO USE AND WE PAY FOR..

WE are reporting YOU to the people, YOUR AUTHORITY as a public servant.

YOU took an oath to uphold the LAW.

We ARE WATCHING....

pamela gaston
www.avoiceforchildren.com

BETTER ASK YOUR GOVERNOR RACKETEERING BOSS WHETHER HE PLANS TO COME TO COURT WITH US OR NOT..... WATCH THE SUPREME COURT VIDEOTAPE FROM AUGUST 2000 WITH HIM SITTING THERE AS THE INDICTMENT IS MADE AND UNDISPUTED ABOUT THE TOTALLY CORRUPT REGIME YOU ARE OPERATING IN VIOLATION OF THE PUBLIC TRUST. WE WILL NOT BE SHUT DOWN BY PUBLIC SERVANTS IN THE STATE OF OREGON ANYMORE.

YOU ARE NOTICES FORMALLY, TORT NOTICE FOLLOWS ANY FURTHER VIOLATIONS OF OUR EXPRESSED RIGHTS.

Dated July 1, 2004

----- Original Message -----
From: MILLER Suzy * Governor's Office
To: 'A Voice for Children'
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: unaccountable corrupt governor office state rep SUZY MILLER does not want to know about state and agency abuse of families, fraud courts.....

This has been reported to the SPAM account as well as to the Dept of Administrative Services Division Computer System Office!

Please remove!

You are rights about the condition of the society at this time, and how we have let the last few generations become "unbound" to any guidance, duped into the "tolerance and diversity" compromise of perverts and pedophiles who have taken over our public offices. The "good people" all taught and threatened to "be nice" while all this perversion and violence has come in - we all let this happen and there is no undoing the damage, we are reaping the results already. That part is terrifying, we pray that it will not require all the masses, only a dedicated core, to stop this anti human, anti family demon running the earth right now.

So - we keep writing now we see it, now we stop it..... and you say what can we do.... you are right..... and the answer really is SIMPLE - WE SAY NO NOW...... We have to get a movement off the ground where we ALL take our licenses off our cars, at least stop carrying any form of paperwork with us, stop all "mandatory" state "rules" that DO NOT apply to us !! Never did....

pamela gaston
www.avoiceforchildren.com

Date: 1/8/2004 16:32:52 EST ,
From: RaWydner@aol.com
To: editor
Subject: I'm sorry
---------------------
I wrote an unkind e-mail just a second ago and, after reading your web pages, I must say that I apologize. You see, I made my verbal attacks on the assumption that you were sane. Now, I plainly see that you are incapable of forming rational thought and I apologize. Get a job and some proffesional help, asshole.

Do you have a job? Because it seems that the majority of your time is spent obsessing over the minute details of my (admittantly "off") uncle Roger and My Father, Bruce Wydner. I don't know what my uncle has done to you, frankly I could give a damn, but do not speak ill of my father. How dare you accuse him of being a "neo-nazi" member of the "Weidner gang?" You do not know the first or even seventh thing about the history of natural language processing and, therefore, have no idea what it's like to know that someone else is living rich on your property. But your absolute ignorance is not so much what bothers me, I'm not even the slightest bit angry that you are a complete asshole who has nothing better to do than insult his intellectual superiors, but never call my father a racist again, or I will personally see to it that you do not enjoy a long and happy life.

Regards,
Ransom Wydner
Posted by: Ransom Wydner at January 8, 2004 12:44 PM | Link

rk: Now as to the recent over-the-top libel posted by kathy lynn dean and her co-conspirator, John Hays, in their attempt to link me to Tim McVeigh and a White Supremacist Nazi group, to that I can only say ATTENTION: JOSEPHINE COUNTY, OREGON SHERIFF DAVE DANIEL -- DO YOUR JOB!

rk: Apparently Hays concocted the whole story based on the following articles I wrote on the Internet. Check the dates of the articles to see how they are reaching for straws.

rk: By the way, I stand by my statements even though these anonymous cowardly guttersnipes scurry hither thither and yon, in a frantic escape from the Truth of my words.

rk: Read my comments. See how they have been twisted by these disinformation experts. You may even come to understand why I have become the target of government in trying to shut down my site through the employment of such disinformation dupes/wannabees.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

The Pernicious Cancer of Government/Media Internet Disinformation That Is Eating Away the Substance of the American People

To: Josephine County, Oregon Sheriff Dave H. Daniel/Board of Commissioners.

rk: Recently, I have sent you several emails, with copies routed to the District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON and the Board of Commissioners, beginning with the article "Does JOCO Sheriff Dave Daniel Have The "Cajones" To Do His Job?," which was sent on 5-30-04.

rk: In them, I have repeated my demand that your agency launch an investigation into the Government/media sponsored/supported mind-control/disinformation campaign currently under way on the Internet.

To: Josephine County, Oregon Sheriff Dave Daniel

rk: Your office is becoming the laughing stock of the nation. You and Josephine County District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON demonstrate to all that the People of Josephine County can expect neither performance nor justice from their public law enforcement/prosecutorial agencies when they are called upon to perform their sworn duties.

rk: It is my understanding that the Josephine County Sheriff's Office has a case number ( CASE NUMBER # 04-7529 ) of a FALSE REPORT filed by one kathy lynn dean. I expect your agency to investigate it thoroughly and not attempt to KISS IT OFF as Josephine County, Oregon District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON has purported to have done according to the statement of kathy lynn dean. (See Post below.)

rk: Let me make this simple for you. It is something that is easily verified should a competent investigation be launched.

rk: My UNEQUIVOCAL STATEMENT IS THIS: I BELONG TO NO ORGANIZATIONS, POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS. I am not, nor have I ever been linked with the people mentioned below.

rk: This is no "johnny come lately" statement. I have made that statement repeatedly on the Internet throughout the last 8 years. I encourage your investigative staff to check that out, for therein lies the proof of conspiracy to libel.

rk: There are many such libelous statements designed to destroy my credibility. That is just the latest one, (first I heard of it was today when I saw this post on JOCO Sheriff'sWatch Board http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JOCO_SheriffsWatch/ ).

rk: There has been a long term, incremental "Big Lie" conspiracy campaign to libel me, and it has been going on the internet, unabated, for years.

rk: kathy lynn dean, by her actions has willingly and openly confessed to her part in the participation of such conspiracy by offering her site ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JOCO_SheriffsWatch/ ) as a platform, for libel and character assassination, much as you have Sheriff Daniel with your website ( http://www.cyberhouse.org/public/phpbb2/index.php ).

rk: One questions the motives of the writers for such linkage with a white supremacist group. To put it bluntly, the comments below written by dean and hays are complete fictions. I suggest the Sheriff's Department start off with detailed interviews of kathy lynn dean, the persons who calls himself "john hays" and grants pass's ed wilkinson, small time journalist, disinformation agent and former member of the Oregon Republican Central Committee.

rk: From there, it is merely a step away from Oregon-based mind control cult leaders and local and national radio personalities/executives and government officials who manipulate minds via orchestrated public relations election campaigns.

rk: That, Sheriff Daniel, is what is at stake in this case, a case which has been isolated from the public via a STONE WALL OF SILENCE erected by the FBI, Federal, State, County officials, media, and now you, SHERIFF DAVE DANIEL.

rk: kathy lynn dean, with specific intent and purposeful design, amplifies the deceptions fed her by her fellow co-conspirators through her libelous/baseless commentary. Her efforts to suppress evidence through cries of copyright infringement must be addressed by your investigators as it evidences guilty knowledge.

rk: COPYRIGHT THE FRUITS OF A CRIME? Has our country gone NUTS?!! Do you understand the insanity of such tactics? When I hear of such "taking leave" of our collective good sense, I must agree with the author Charles Dicken's in his novel "Oliver Twist," when he expresses his opinion through the character of "Mr. Bumble" who said: "If the law supposes that, the law is a ass, a idiot."

rk: Let it be said that, in my opinion, in JOSEPHINE COUNTY OREGON when it comes to the implementation of Law through the local court and law enforcement venue, the LAW IS INDEED AN ASS!!

rk: Below you will find posts that are proliferating on Internet newsgroups/forums by anonymous (and some not anonymous) government/media/Intelligence mind control/disinformation operatives/provocateurs demonstrating their disinformation and libelous talents.

rk: I expect a full investigation by your department focusing on all statements and threats made (including death threats). Moreover I expect a thorough professional, competent investigation that will stand up to public scrutiny as the government/media/intelligence disinformation 8-year-long campaign is exposed and those responsible and their supervisors held accountable for their criminal behavior.

rk: Sheriff Daniel, You and Josephine County District Attorney CLAY E. JOHNSON are making a mockery of Law Enforcement and the courts in your refusal to Investigate and prosecute a case that impacts upon our God-given Freedoms.

rk: When government offers no protection to the People, and openly and unabashedly shuns its duty to those People who have put them into office, the logical questions arises. WHO NEEDS GOVERNMENT?!!

rk: To kathy lynn dean, I say -- it is damned foolish to claim copyright infringement in order to conceal the evidence of a crime!!

rk: To Sheriff Daniel, I say, DO YOUR JOB!!

Subject: http://www.arkenterprises.com
Name: Raymond Karczewski
Date Posted: Jan 12, 04 - 3:50 AM
Email: arkent@arkenterprises.com
Message: Satanic Equipment Used to Discredit A Christ!!!
by Raymond Karczewski

Raymond Karczewski - arkent@arkenterprises.com wrote:
Date: 11 Jan 2004 17:33:43 -0800

rk: The vicious, relentless attacks upon my reputation and credibility by cowardly anonymous Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Intelligence Operatives has been stepped up since my last release from jail. These operatives have buried equipment under the surrounding landscape that causesn me to be extremely flatulent. Not only is the noise embarassing, the odor is terrible.

rk: Visitations to my house have almost totally ceased, fortunately my internet access is intact thus allowing me to continue my ministry to the Millions and Millions of ungrateful IGNORAMUSES. The BASSACKWARD Spritual Pipsqueaks who used to come into my presence for council have been presenting me with tiresome excuses as to why they do not answer my summons.

rk: They are giving a realtime DEMONstration of who my friends really are. How can this Christ lead from a distance with the vicious, libelous attacks by anonymous Government/Media Sponsored/Supported Disinformation agents. Rest assured that this to shall pass. It ain't over til it's over!

rk: A recent development is that my periodic rectal bleeding has restarted, requiring me to wear adult diapers to prevent me from ruining underwear on a regular basis.

Posted by Jean Luc Bovierre on June 07, 19103 at 07:48:21:

In Reply to: Satan and his Minions create Hell on Earth posted by Raymond Karczewski on May 26, 19103 at 08:48:46:

Who in the world wants to hear about how bad your farts smell? This is the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

: Satan and his Minions create Hell on Earth by Raymond Karczewski

: rk: Recently, I have noticed that I have been much more flatulent than usual, and the odor is just terrible. This has been ociated with the completed construction of Satanic equipment in the hills beyond My compound. The decrease in Stealth Trucks indicates that either the CIA has improved the technology that renders their vehicles invisible to most IGNORAMUSES or they have automated their efforts against Me. This is PROOF of the CIA's LIBELOUS campaign of disinformation. By causing Me to expel gas every several minutes, people avoid Me, and I must rely on the internet to spread My gospel.

: rk: What a terrible way to discredit a Christ.

: rk: I have made it a point to draft a letter to the JoCo Courts offering them a settlement in the current Tort Claim of $21,000,000 against them. For the sum of 20,000,00 I will drop the suit, and they will save $1,000,000 which can be spent educating their Ignorant sheriff's deputies and judges as to the proper ways of dealing with a Christ; namely; how to be as humble and meek as I am. I am the most modest person in the world until something ruffles My feathers, then watch out!

: rk: I have tried to show these Satanic Ignoramuses and Spiritual Pipsqueaks that I am the way, but they have casually flung LIBELS and INSULTS at a Christ, and shall duly suffer My wrath. When I ascend to My throne in the heavens and inherit from him the power of infinite mastery, My Godhood shall be complete. I already possess infinite intelligence and anyone who seeks to resist My supreme intellect shall be reluctant victims of a Mirror of Truth, as I am steadfast in My convictions.

: rk: You, the sleepyheaded Sheeple and Ignoramuses have within your grasp a rare oportunity to receive from Me the Gift of Divine Wisdom. My path to Spiritual Perfection can only be attained after publicly admitting that I am the way. I need to form My core circle of Prophets and Apostles and am looking for Enlightened men and women to help Me bring My prophecy to fruition. You shall be the bringers of My message to the people of the world. You will one day be My rams, as I punish the infidel that defieth My Divine Wisdom.

pamela gaston ( www.avoiceforchildren.com ) wrote:

AFAB Bully/Disinformation Agent Meets JOCO Sheriff's Office

pg: The article posted at the end by the robots is a prime example of their method and operation, slander and denigrate when you have no truth and no facts. The words used, and the questioning of his mental faculties is always the way the prostitutes for the court begin the rendering on everybody. And that they wont give their names is so typical.

pg: Always they question the mental health - when do they face assessment and rendering? The pattern is a corrupt judge orders a mental health evaluation with a prostitute "doctor" for the state. ALL reports and ALL information they can gather IS used against you in the court, then they say you are "unfit to proceed" suffereing "prosecutorial delusions that the judge is corrupt". We know one many who they not only did this to, with those words on the order, but then they committed him (no crime except speaking the truth in the court) and put electrodes on his head, ran him through magnetic scanners, forced blood draws and wanted to shoot radioactive die into him to "see if he had a brain condition that was causing this delusion"... there is no end to the crimes they will commit to silence those who are standing againt their agressions. We ALL have to say NO collectively now...

pg: The man they are slandering has repeatedly been jailed, nearly dies, is elderly and in poor health, and is making the record in the court as they are attacking him and his wife mercilessly. He is STANDING on original jurisdiction, as everyone in the state needs to be doing, and telling corrupt public servants that there are going to be consequences for their criminal violations of the people's rights.

pg: This Sheriff Daniels is a criminal, fully invovled in racketeering and fraud. We heard him lie before he was elected and the Oregon Observer thought he would be hones, as soon as he was elected it was apparent he is just another criminal on the streets making a big paycheck and pension for his crimes.... so far....

pg: What Raymond Karczewski is what terrifies them the most - the TRUTH IN THE RECORD of their crimes. Undisputed testimony becomes fact in the court, and that is the tool of the freeborn people to excercise our rights, to make the record, to bring forth remedy, to stand and not be "managed" as a slave with masters and statutes to control our Inherent Rights.

pg: ALL who act the way the post at the end is, and this is typical character word for word that the people run into in the courts - no names, no supporting facts, only slander and the judge upholds it, writes another lie on a judicial order and their racketeering operation is protected....

pg: STAND WITH THIS MAN.... STAND WITH EACH OTHER.... STAND AGAINST THIS BIG LIE BEING PERPTRATED ON US THAT WE HAVE NO RIGHTS... .THE TRUTH IS THE POWER AND IT HAS TO BE ON THE RECORD WHERE THEY HAVE TO DISPUTE AND THEY CANT,LIKE THIS MAN IS DOING AND SUFFERING INCREDIBLE RETALIATION FOR IT.

pg: We have to understand these compelled contracts are slavery, and when we comply we are "volunteering" for their abuse, that is actually what they say in a court. We have to all at once remove our license plates, quit carrying any kind of papers at all, stop getting any kind of licenses or insurance compelled on freeborn people.... it is an UNCONSTITUITONAL SCHEME and more of us have to confront it to stop them everywhere we see them, like the liars theives and parasites they all are who are abusing people in their official capacities and operating this racketeering operation from within those same offices.

pg: MAKE THE RECORD WITH THE FACTS OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO YOU AS THEY DO IT. THAT IS THE KEY. AND THEN THE PEOPLE SEE THEY CANT, AND THEIR SILENCE IS THEIR GUILT.

pamela gaston
www.avoiceforchildren.com

From: A Voice for Children
To: Rep Anderson ; A Voice for Children
Cc: JMARQUIS@co.clatsop.or.us

TRAITOR REP. ANDERSON DEFENDING WHORE PROSECUTOR JOSH MARQUIS, UNCONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEMIC CORRUPTION IN OREGON IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH READ THE RECORD - IF NOT, THEN THE PEOPLE NEED TO SEE YOU ARE NOT ENGAGING IN TRUTH OR LAW AND YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF THE CORPORATE STATE

You REALLY need to consider the unconstitutional rulemaking that you and other legislators are involved in before you try to portray ANY BAR member as being "hones, fair, good servant of the people". YOU and the other legislators are NOT working for the people, YOU are promoting a legislative scheme called "Justice 2020, Courts of Arbitration and Mediation" in complete TREASON to the people....

EVERY piece of legislation written out there at the Capitol by people like David Hendryckx, Greg Chamoiv, Timothy Travis, others..... is in the CORPORATE interest only..... jail with no crime - taking children with no crime - seizing property with NO CRIME..... you are either deceived totally or part of the same operation Marquis is engaging - gentleman? If any of those things happened to YOU would you call Marquis a "gentleman". YOU are dangerous to be so willfullyl ignorant and call yourself a representative of the people. Better, now the people can see how you guys move unconstitutional rules and call it "laws", while the people have NO COURT OF REMEDY. If you care to know the truth, read the record all over our website - UNDISPUTED court record and a jury verdict of RACKETEERING.... THAT is what YOU and MARQUIS and other BAR attorneys and judges are engaging in here in Oregon. "Democracy" ?????? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING???? DO WE LIVE IN A REPUBLIC OR OREGON ??? DID YOU NOT TAKE AN OATH TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL STATE OF OREGON, THE PEOPLE????

I put money on it that you dont even know what I am talking about. My husband Will says if you cannot even define the term Republic you certainly have no business calling yourself a "representative". You state that you have helped MARQUIS with the CHILDRENS programs - these are the ABUSERS - these are the "child jail foster homes" children literally stolen from schools and homes WITHOUT CRIME..... THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING ANDERSON..... IS IT OK TO YOU FOR YOUR CHILD TO BE SEIZED AND RAPED AND TERRORIZED AND NO CRIME NECESSARY??? THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE PART OF.

This is going to the world so the people can see YOU and your fellow partners in crime and how you operate and then defend it too when challenged. We are bringing YOU and YOUR POLICIES into the courts of the people and you can defend it there when your TREASON trials take place.... THIS IS NO JOKE... THIS IS THE MOST DANGEROUS AND SERIOIUS TERRORISM AND YOU ARE PART OF THE OPERATION...... THESE FACTS ARE COURT RECORD ..... CAN YOU SAY DIFFERENT???? TELL THE PEOPLE NOW.....

pamela gaston
www.avoiceforchildren.com

Original Message
From: Charles Stewart
Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Edgar Steel Wants an Apology for the Truth; Re: Compromised - Pleading Guilty in a Court of Lies

Thanks for passing this on to me & others Pam.

Mr. Steel,

You are a part of a Terrorist & Treasonous Criminal Conspiracy. Your Bar-Association/Lawyer Strangle-Hold Monopoly on our great State's Judicial System; has Coerced/Terrorized the Christines into Abandoning their Rights under Constitutional "Due Process of Law".

Ms Gaston is Absolutely Correct that it is Totally "Off Point" for you to argue to anyone that the Christines would have lost anyway. Maybe they would have, & maybe not.

It is "Not the Point".

The "Point is" that "the Lawyer-Bar/Monopoly System" is a "Terrorist System".

And the Christines were probably were facing an up-hill battle, Only because: YOUR BAR/MONOPOLY SYSTEM is a Human Meat-Grinder from the Pit of Hell, & it Has NOTHING to do with Constitutionally Guaranteed "JUSTICE", Nor with "Due Process of Law".

And You are "Lubricating Oil" for that Evil Military Machinery, "Sergeant At Law" Steel.

With mamby-pamby marshmallow Bar/Monopoly Lawyers like your-self being shoved upon the Christines, it is quite understandable that they become bamboozled & confused. If Ms Gaston could have been their Constitutionally Guaranteed "Assistance of Council" I'm Sure they would have stood a Very Good Chanced of Winning the Case. But NNNNNOOOOOO !!!

Convenient for Your Pay Check, & for the Federal Matching Funds that the DA gets, YOU Convinced the Christines to "Roll-Over & Play Dead".

So much for their Heroic Effort when they made their first Public Statement about the Total Evil & Injustice of the Fraudulently Labeled "Social Services System" by Courageously Taking Back from the True "Kidnappers", THEIR CHILDREN !!!

Bar/Monopoly Lawyers like you are Limited by Your Privilege/Franschize/License to Only Offer Defensive Pleadings which Do NOT Seriously Argue the Underlying Fundamental Concern of conscionable & Substantive "JUSTICE".

You would loose your bar-license. You know it & we know it. The Christines were just "Terrorized" by you & your bar-palls into forgetting that for the moment.

Pamela is Absolutely Correct in Publicly Condemning You & Your Bar-Monopoly/Mob Palls for the Part You have Played in this Rail-Road Job of Terrorism & Treason against the Christines & also against All of the Good People of this Constitutional "State of Oregon.

Your Mob Pals are Not Going to be able to Continue your "Pillage & Plunder" of the Good People of Oregon Fore-Ever.

You surely realize this. Yes?

Charles Bruce, Stewart
Sandy Oregon

A Voice for Incoherence

by Edgar J. Steele

July 3, 2002

"See the happy moron -
He doesn't give a damn..."
----Ogden Nash

"The world is full of morons," I intoned solemnly as my son turned fourteen this year. "That's the Fourth Immutable Law of the Universe, and don't you forget it."

I've been doling out these universal truths, one at a time, as a part of preparing him for life. Admittedly, I haven't made any of them up, but I am responsible for assembling them in this form. I always stay one or two ahead of him and will provide the last, number ten, just as he is ready to graduate from high school, less than four years from now.

Here's where I am so far:

1. Men are right.
2. Women are slow.
3. Mom is never wrong.
4. The world is full of morons.
5. The old ways are the best ways.
6. Pigs get fat – hogs get slaughtered.
7. Do the right thing; not the smart thing.

Yes, I know - please don't email me about what an insufferable male chauvinist pig I am.

Years ago, a vice president of the company for which I then worked had a plaque in his office which read: "There is no defense against stupidity." I recall being annoyed with his outright arrogance - and that plaque was the least of it. That his name was Goldberg will be no surprise to many. Time and again, however, the world has shown me the inherent wisdom of that homily, though I would never dream of giving it such a place of prominence in my life.

There are some truths better left alone. Such as, "The world is full of morons." That doesn't make them any less true.

My last, No Justice for the Politically Incorrect , recounted the latest stopover in the Christine case, wherein I bemoaned the injustice of the legal system and the manner with which it deals with the politically incorrect.

I have said it before, but it bears repetition: the legal system is irretrievably broken. And, there is no fixing it, most particularly not by using the system's own mechanisms in the attempt. Once in the system, one can only hope to exit by using the rules of the system itself, however unfair they may be. Best, by far, is staying out of the system altogether, particularly if you are the type that it inherently dislikes. Today, aside from true criminals, that means the politically incorrect.

However, there is another aspect to the legal system that bears examination, particularly by the politically incorrect, and it played a key role in the Christine case. There is a cottage industry that has grown up around the legal system, an industry that the Internet, more than anything else, has made possible. It has no real name as yet, though its denizens go by a host of labels, some self applied and some applied to them by others. "Constitutionalist" is the one that I hear most often, spoken proudly by those within this faction and derisively by those outside.

The irony is that there is nothing Constitutional about most of these people; Thomas Jefferson would have shot them dead on the front lawn of the White House (didn't know that he actually did that once, did you?).

The members of this legal "black market" espouse all manner of tricks and tactics purporting to allow one to elude the consequences of one's own actions (as in the liens employed by those people in Montana, you know, the "Just Us" guys) or to foil the evil members of the formal legal system. They are particularly taken with the UCC system, for some unfathomable reason (it applies to products in commerce only, by the way).

One of my favorites is the suggestion that so often is thrown at me, encouraging me to get my clients to "opt out" of American society by becoming something called "sovereign citizens." Supposedly, then they cannot be touched by the authorities. Right. Problem is, nobody told the authorities.

Another problem is that many people, once they run afoul of the system in some manner, actually listen to these self-styled "Constitutional Counselors," or whatever they might pretend to be. This is particularly true of the politically incorrect, who have a well-justified distrust of anything formally associated with or a part of the legal system.

Brian and Ruth Christine fell for this swill when their children were first taken from them. For six months, they listened to various members of this pseudo-legal jungle in and around Grants Pass, Oregon. For six months, while within the system, they did all the wrong things, as a result.

The Christines were just kids, themselves. They deserved better. The worst Public Defender in town could have gotten their children back for them in six months. Due to the "guidance" they received from their "advisers," however, they were receptive to the help of a real lawyer only after they were in jail, having been arrested and charged with a litany of heavy-duty felonies, including Kidnapping and Robbery. Only after their situation had become essentially hopeless, in other words. That was when I entered their case.

They had public defenders for a brief interlude, who conned them into signing off on a termination of their parental rights to their three oldest girls. Frankly, that very likely would have happened by court edict, anyway, but was not something I could have recommended they accept without a fight and a formal trial.

I did take them through their kidnapping trial on a variety of felony charges, some lesser and some major. My standard for a win was defeating the major felonies. There really was no hope that they would walk free on everything. They got tagged only with Robbery I, a so-called "Measure 11" felony, which we have now appealed. I think we have a pretty good chance of overturning this conviction in the appellate courts. That would shorten their current sentences by years.

Until yesterday, the Christines were faced with another trial, this time in Grants Pass, in two weeks' time. Offered a deal by the district attorney handling those charges (again, a blizzard of felonies and misdemeanors), which involved pleading out to one felony each, with Brian pleading to another related to a traffic stop, they decided they would rather not endure another trial.

Pleading out was their decision alone, but I believe it was the correct one. I made no recommendation, one way or the other. The time prescribed by the sentencing judge runs concurrent with their present sentences; in other words, there is no additional penalty other than the sting of those who incorrectly say they have now admitted they did wrong to begin with.

So, I didn't make a silk purse out of the sow's ear of a case that I was handed, but I did make a pretty nifty pigskin wallet! All in all, not bad, particularly considering I've been working for free. And that made me feel pretty good about things. Until today, when one of the Grants Pass legal illiterati so responsible for Brian and Ruth losing their kids and being in prison actually had the effrontery to accuse me of selling the Christines out.

Meet Pamela Gaston, who maintains a web site and sends out a daily flurry of often-incoherent emails, all under the title, "A Voice for Children." Her husband, Will, sat directly behind me throughout the Christine trial (if you watch it on CourtTV in two weeks, he is the burly fellow with the shock of white hair and bushy beard to match).

Will Gaston repeatedly told me, both during the trial and after, that he had never seen a better job than the one I did. Now, if you believe his wife, Pamela, he really thought that I was key in constructing a legal abomination. Either he was lying then, or he is lying now...or Pamela is lying about what Will thinks. I suspect the latter, frankly, since she seems to be the real voice for incoherence behind their web site.

Until now, Brian and Ruth Christine's directive that I leave the Grants Pass courthouse crazies alone is all that has kept me from taking them on, both directly via the Internet and indirectly, via the local District Attorney. Pamela Gaston's recent assault upon my legal honor has released me from that restriction.

The Gastons filed a petition of some sort with the judge during the Christine trial. It was genuinely laughable, reflective of what unschooled children might imagine legal documents should be. At my urging, the judge decided not to embarrass them by ruling it to be the sort of pseudo-legal tripe that it was. They apparently now are filing it with other courts.

Also, during this trial, another of the crazies endeavored to challenge the judge's jurisdiction, claiming that the oath he took when initially sworn in as a judge was lacking a word or two. This "defective oath" business is a favorite of this crowd in Oregon just now, particularly Pamela Gaston. It is, in a word, irrelevant and totally without merit. The Gastons now seize upon this poppycock to claim that I was part and parcel of a conspiracy against the Christines.

Because of advice like this, given by Pamela Gaston and a few others in the Grants Pass area, the Christines are a permanently broken family and Brian and Ruth will spend several years in prison.

Because of you, Pamela Gaston....because of you.

There is no defense against stupidity, as the sign said. And, don't forget, the world is full of morons. Perhaps it is Pamela's sense of guilt that causes her now to turn on me and blame me for all that has befallen the Christines. Remember that I entered after everything had already happened, Pamela, whereas you were there from the start, whispering in their ear.

Regardless of how Brian and Ruth might feel about it, I am filing a formal request with the DAs of Jackson, Josephine and Douglas Counties, as well as the Oregon State Bar Association, that Pamela Gaston (and others, if indicated) be criminally prosecuted for the Unauthorized Practice of Law. There is such a crime and it is rarely prosecuted. If ever there was a case that cried out for it, this is it. A borderline lunatic like Gaston staggers around, mouthing enough nonsense to persuade the naive that she actually knows something, then gets them to do something really stupid, which redounds to their extreme detriment.

There are important lessons to be gleaned from this tragedy. I assume you already realize there is no justice to be gotten from the legal system, of course. Today's lesson, and it is especially for the politically incorrect, a great many of whom subscribe to this list: stay away from pseudo lawyers.

While there is some good advice out there, given by nonlawyers, it is impossible for any but practicing lawyers to separate the wheat from the chaff. And illegal, when profferred to others, whether for a fee or not. And the chaff can get you into serious trouble...just look at Brian and Ruth Christine. Best to stay away from it all. In particular, stay away from Pamela Gaston and the extensive bad advice she offers via her website and her emails. She will get you into trouble, just as she has the Christines.

Ask a lawyer, instead. It will be the best advice you ever bought.

Stay out of the system if at all possible, and at all costs. If you find yourself in the system, resolve to play by the rules toward the quickest exit possible. That requires a competent lawyer or equal measures of self-taught real law and pure luck. There is no short cut. All other approaches will end in disappointment, if not prison.

Of course, a great many lawyers are morons, too. And there may well be no defense against stupidity. Be accountable. If they can't explain it to you in words that you understand or it doesn't make sense in the tradition of "there's no such thing as a free lunch," then go elsewhere.

And that's the best free legal advice you have gotten all day, I'd wager.

-ed

"I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth."
- Morpheus

Copyright © Edgar J. Steele, 2002

Forward as you wish. Permission is granted to circulate among private individuals and groups, post on all Internet sites and publish in full in all not-for-profit publications. Contact author for all other rights, which are reserved.

Write to me at Steele@ConspiracyPenPal.com

From: "DeAnna Dowell" llllth@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
http://sleazereport.com/community

This is John's website that's in his signature line, he speaks of Borderline Personality Disorder, he needs to look in the mirror. I personally find his site egomaniacal and egocentric (people are "snitching on me" or "tried to have me killed"). Honestly, it sounds like a bad cloak and dagger book.

From: "Larry" lobecke@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:18:32 -0000

Don't worry about it DeAnna. Did you see the link that was at the bottom of one of his messages advertising the services of an attorney/therapist, but then in his profile his occupation is Information Technology. While we all may question the motives a woman on a message board such as this - we also will question what a lawyer is doing doing here, and a 'sleazeball' at that. Which isn't to say that there are not a few that are honest and ethical(very few). This guy is obviously here doing some 'ambulance chasing' and probably spends the rest of his time at divorce support groups doing likewise. Ignore him DeAna. Let the sick bastard focus his mighty mouth on me.

Larry

-- In Fathers_are_Parents_too@yahoogroups.com,
"DeAnnaandDale" llllth@y... wrote:

Well, that was a boo boo, this was meant to go to someone in a personal e-mail off list, but it is my opinion, so I guess it's out there, do with it what you will.

Blessings,

DeAnna

From: avoice@m...
Date: Fri Sep 5, 2003 11:01 am
Subject: FACING THE BEAST - ACTIVE PRESENT - WATCH WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING, NOT WHAT YOU THINK IS REAL.....
Re: Some Said "ItThundered" by Paul DeParrie

Those words of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, Talmudic vipers, are the nature of the beast..... we all are going to have to face what some of us know already, that this is demonic and criminal and beyond the idea of normal thinking people with consciences to be true.

People cannot believe the depths of the depravity we face coming to light now. First it shift the whole paradigm to discover that children are being used and abused at the incredible rate it is happening. Then you find out it is not just a few corrupted pedophiles in jobs around children, you find out it is a WHOLE NETWORK doing this. Then you go to court, and you find out that not only is it a whole network, but it is officially being created in the legislature, has a name called the Justice 2020 and the fraud is totally happening in PLAIN VIEW but the PEOPLE DONT SEE IT !!!!! Then we found out they have a WHOLESALE MARKET IN BODY PARTS, PRISON PRODUCTS, and ARE SETTING THE WHOLE AGENDA ON THE EXPLOITATION AND SLAVERY OF THE PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE DONE IT AND ARE DOING IT NOW.....

Then we learned it is ALL in the process - how they act and what they do, not what they say.....they LIE most of the time, so you watch them - right now.....what is going on - what are they doing - not sleeping under some illusion that you think you know what is going on around you..... amazing what has opened up !!!

We have faced off this beast in many forms - I tell you in a courtroom the judges RAGE at the truth and you can see their are beasts, vipers as Jesus called them.... he was not calling them names, he was describing their very being..... "your father is a liar and the father of lies" and the ones we deal with speak the very same words...

It is an amazing thing that we have found ourselves many times on the court record saying "I am speaking the truth, I know the facts, and am describing them to you clearly. You are lying, you do not know the facts as you are believing lies that you were told, and perpetuating lies and fraud"..... When Jesus stood before the vipers and told them they were "sons of vipers, offspring of serpents, your father a liar and the liar from the beginning".....THAT IS THE SAME THING....

We are saying to them I KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAK, AND YOU ARE NOT DENYING THE FACTS WITH OTHER FACTS. YOU DO NOT NOW THE TRUTH OR LIE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING..... YOU "WORSHIP" A FATHER YOU DO NOT "KNOW" (OF YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE)

When you speak the truth it brings in the whole attachment of RIGHT ANGELS, ARCHANGELS, a WHOLE THREAD of TRUTH, that HAS ITS SOURCE IN TRUTH, OR GOD, OR ONE CREATOR.

We are continually amazed at the personalities of the money priests and vipers we deal with. We call them robots because there is no human reaction when you deal with them. They are cold, manipulative, scheming, selfish, unaccountable, above all their NATURAL INSTINCT IS TO LIE..... DA'S ARE THE STEREOTYPE OF THIS VIPER CHARACTER. Listen to the pharisees and money priests all going insane right now over Mel Gibsons movie about Jesus... they are crucifying Christ all over again ! The SAME BEAST is the activator behind these people who give their souls over to it along time ago. I tell my children that this is what a LIE does, that the worst criminals we are dealing with in high offices started out at some point and lied and got away with it then started getting others to lie with him and it grows and grows, always rationalized that they have some authority or right to destroy and plunder and keep the booty and feel justified stepping on the bodies as they go up the corporate ladder.

They just lie some more as they go. We have watched a whole network of criminals here be rewarded after being exposed publicly as criminals, more money, higher offices, more children given to porbographers and pedophiles, everryone protected. We learned they praise their best vipers in state offices, the ones who act the most criminally get the most reward in their mind made world.

It is the spirit of the being that is the thing.... the intent..... and our own as well..... that is where we veer off the road if we go out of our Grace of Our Fathers Love.... Will and I feel our lives are like being in a protected zone or shield that is with us in jail, in court, everywhere, even when attacked , we see it as being for Our Fathers Purpose. If we thought we could fight this battle it would be like sticking your head out of a jet airplane at 700 mph..... this is a HUGE MACHINE grinding humans continually if you think you are in your own strength to face off this war. We see first hand miracles and are so clear we just do as we are guided and watch it all unfold, and tell everyone we can so they see it all too..... We stay in the active present and everything we write and have experienced is what is real from that point of view....

For us all it has been about speaking and writing and painting the truth.... living the truth.... and then you see the cause and effect everywhere you go .... "your light shines so bright it cannot be hidden", and the abject darkness beyond that active present is the alternative to living in the present light. That is the "darkness that appears as light" to those who are "seeing through a glass darkly"....... BUT THEN FACE TO FACE the Good Book goes on to say....

Not really a hard choice once you see all the counterfeit belief systems, false securities that people do not realize are false, their insurance and their "money" and their "trusts" or any form of security in paper or another human..... once we saw that people are trusting and paying alms to vipers and dont realize it..... that attorney facade of impeccable reputations and fine snake skin suits.....

We are coming to know who we are and what is real and not real, it is showing more every day. People cannot imagine that this demonic agenda is real, our children being murdered and raped in it, terrorized worse than monkeys.....

BE AS LOUD AS YOU CAN and tell everyone else to also !!! This beast is NOT the power and the authority forever, Our Lord is the Truth and the Power and the Light. We will follow HIM.

pamela gaston

-----Original Message-----
From: charleso69@w... charleso69@w...
To: avoice@m... avoice@m...
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Some Said "ItThundered" by Paul DeParrie On The Execution of Paul Hill

Thanks Pam, This from the[ PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION] We will guide them kindly and gently letting think they are guiding themselves. We will foment animosity between them. through factions. When a light shall shine among them. We shall extinguish it by ridicule. or death, whichever suits us best. We will make them rip each others hearts apart and kill their own CHILDREN. [ Birth control pills & Abortions etc.] We will accomplish this by using Hate as our ally, anger as our friend. [ The Feminist Movement, Hate Men, Hate Children, Hate Family, Pro-Lesbian, Pro-Homosexual, Pro-Living together Career more important than CHILDREN. The Hate will blind them totally Someone said Jews started all these Anti-Christian Movments?

The Illuminati was a secret society in Bavaria in the late 18th century. They had a political agenda that included republicanism and abolition of monarchies, which they tried to institute by means of "subterfuge, secrecy, and conspiracy," including the infiltration of other organizations.* They fancied themselves to be "enlightened" but they had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin (Pipes 1997).

Paranoid conspiracy theorists (PCTs) believe the Illuminati cabal still exists, either in its original form or as a paradigm for later cabals. Many PCTs believe "that large Jewish banking families have been orchestrating various political revolutions and machinations throughout Europe and America since the late eighteenth century, with the ultimate aim of bringing about a satanic New World Order."* What George Bush was talking about in his state of the union address in 1991 was no less than the establishment of a single world government with the anti-Christ (whom some say is Bill Clinton (or is he a decoy?), but could be Pat Robertson or George W. Bush) at its head.

In the paranoid mind, the Illuminati succeeded in their goals, and have now infiltrated every government and every aspect of society. They are responsible for every evil and every unjust act that ever occurs anywhere; the fact that absolutely no evidence of their existence can be found only serves to make them stronger and more frightening. They are the demon in the closet, and will probably never disappear from the paranoid fantasy world of right-wing conspiracy theorists.*
--New England Skeptical Society

Although there are two main "sects" of PCTs, the militant Christian fundamentalist branch and the UFO/alien branch, and although they each think the other is evil or nuts, their paranoia has the same focus: the end is near.

To enter the world of the PCTs is to enter Bedlam. It would be pointless here to examine, much less attempt to refute, the delusions of people who think they have been turned into assassins by mind-control techniques so that they can carry out the will of inbred dynasties, that aliens are controlling the world, that none of the laws of science are actual, that the imagination and the thought of what is possible are better guides than the "physically manifested world," etc. A rational person might think many of the PCTs are joking. There are Internet sites that seem to be parody sites but it is difficult to tell, since there seems to be no belief, however inane or absurd, that the PCTs can't fit into their bizarre worldview. A rational person who never heard of Pat Robertson might well read his New World Order (Word Books, 1994) and think it must be a joke. Could anyone actually believe his rambling paranoia regarding Jewish bankers, Freemasons, Muslims, homosexuals, foreigners, etc.? Apparently so. Still, one wonders why PCTs exist and their numbers seem to be growing.

For example, many PCTs consider the Great Seal of the United States and the motto Novus Ordo Seculorum to be Masonic and to mean New World Order. These "facts" are considered evidence in the argument to prove the vast conspiracy of the Illuminati. It is useless to argue against these "facts" with PCTs. They consider us dupes who would note that the Latin is usually translated as New World of the Ages and that the symbol of the eye in the pyramid relates to a poem in the Egyptian Book of the Dead.* Even granting that the Great Seal of the United States and the symbols on our dollar bill are Masonic (which they are not) and that novus ordo seculorum means New World Order (which it does not), nothing significant follows, certainly not that there is a vast conspiracy to take over the world.

I think it is likely that many PCTs in the West are initiated into their peculiar way of thinking by their religious training, in particular by their study of the Bible. They have been taught or they assume that everything happens for a purpose and that God ultimately has a reason for every event occurring just as it does. As it becomes more and more difficult to see this world as designed for anything, the theories get more and more preposterous to keep the teleological delusion alive. The war on evolution and homosexuality--encouraging the abandonment of science and stimulating murderous assaults--so obviously disproportionate by any rational standard, is difficult to explain without seeing the militant fundamentalists as beyond the last stages of desperation. The intense campaigns to expose possible alien abductions, UFOs, and mind-control is likewise preposterously disproportionate to any rational standard.

The following article which Mabel had posted in The Cure Network came from:
The World (newspaper)
Coos Bay, Oregon
Wednesday, October 11, 1995


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Date : Oct 11 '95, 19:16
From : Mabel Royce
To : all
Subj : more on Roger Weidner
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Hi all,

In tonight's World is the following article:

WATCHDOG SENT TO PSYCHIATRIC WARD

Salem (AP) - A former chief prosecutor in Portland who claims he found widespread corruption in Oregon's legal establishment now finds himself locked up in a Salem psychaiatric ward.

Roger Weidner, 57, has been in the Oregon State Hospital's forensic program for the criminally insane since a Multnomah County judge ordered him to undergo psychiatric evaluation in August.

His supporters say he's a tenacious whistle-blower who's paying a steep price for his efforts to expose wrongdoing. Others say he simply may be delusional.

"I'm a political prisoner in this place," he declared during an interview with the Statesman Journal newspaper.

District Judge Dorothy Baker, who ordered Weidner to the state hospital, could not be located for comment Monday.

At least one psychiatrist has told Weidner that he is dilusional. In psychiatric terms, that means Weidner holds firm beliefs in spite of strong evidence indicating they ARE FALSE.

Weidner scoffed at the diagnosis: I'm a far cry from being delusional. I have no belief or opinion that is not based on fact."

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end of article

later

Mabel

Techniques and Tactics

Bring crowds into the courtroom, the bigger the better.

Prep the crowd out in the corridor both to intimidate the guards and to focus the crowd's attention. Tell your supporters that when the judge tries to shut you down they should all say together, "Let him speak! Let him speak!" Remind everyone to pay attention in the courtroom. When they pay attention the guards back off. When they are distracted the guards move in.

Speak to the guards and police officers standing around. "You guards know what's going on. These judges, attorneys and state agents are kidnapping these children, rigging elections." whatever your case is about.

Do not stand up for the judge if you know he is corrupt. Remain seated when he enters if you want to show that you know he is corrupt. Or, remain standing until he enters if you want to avoid making a show of respect.

Bring binoculars, opera glasses or telescopes into the courtroom to aim at the officers of the court for closer scrutiny, if possible. It intimidates them. Stand up together as a group when the guards enter in a threatening manner. If the guards are threatening get their names.